Discussion: If Hillary is nominated, does she pick Obama as VP?

The likelihood of a large African-American turnout for Cynthia McKinney is about as favorable as my learning to fly by leaping off a tall building and flapping my arms frantically.:rolleyes:


usertron2020, ignoring some errors in your analysis of Hayes, Wilson, Harrison and Bush, what was remotely illegal in John Quincy Adams?


The likelihood of a young and rising senator like Obama being willing to accept the position of vice president, almost certainly ending his career, is very low. The fact that the Democrats certainly had the advantage in 2008 makes it worse.
 
The conditions for most VPs can be summed up here: "I want his pecker in my pocket" and "I want real loyalty... kiss my ass in Macy's window and say it smells like roses." Since the likelihood of either condition being fulfilled is between zero and nil, the offer is purely pro forma, and then Bayh or Strickland accept.

To expand the OP: what would Obama be doing in the Senate during Hillary's two terms?
 
The likelihood of a large African-American turnout for Cynthia McKinney is about as favorable as my learning to fly by leaping off a tall building and flapping my arms frantically.:rolleyes:


usertron2020, ignoring some errors in your analysis of Hayes, Wilson, Harrison and Bush, what was remotely illegal in John Quincy Adams?

I suspect that some posters don't realize that McKinney's place on the left in the House would equal Bob Barr's on the right.

Perhaps "stolen election" is too harsh. It's not like any of these people stormed the US Congress with a posse and forced an Electoral College vote to their liking at gunpoint!:eek: BUT, politics is about perception, not constitutional law. Because of the perception of a stolen election, John Quincy Adams, Benjamin Harrison, and Rutherford B. Hayes were dead men walking for re-election. No one blamed Wilson for the Republicans splitting, the blame went to Taft.


Bush? Federal judges at any level have no say in Presidential Elections, on the grounds that they are helping to determine their replacements! "I don't want that Fascist/Commie getting to replace me!." But they did in 2000. The very same right-wingers screaming about "Activist Judges" cried out a jubilee upon hearing the results of Bush V. Gore.


2004? He had all the advantages of incumbency. PLUS 24/7 propaganda drumbeating from hate radio and Fox News. Yet STILL it all came down to 30,000 votes in South-West Ohio. Heavy thunderstorms in the Cincinnatti area that day and you have President Kerry. 30,000 votes and he called it a mandate. "I have political capital, and I'm gonna spend it."GWB, one day after his re-election.

If you're Pro-JQA Election, you're Anti-GWB Election. Or vice-versa. Anything in between involves language that cannot be used on this site.
 
UT2020: You're saying that close elections don't give a President a mandate? 1960, 1968, 1976, 2000, 2004 prove otherwise.
 
usertron2020, the topic has come up before and the pretense that the Supreme Court 'selected' Dubya has been utterly destroyed long ago.

Had SCOTUS not gotten involved all of the steps in the process with Florida's electoral votes in question are clear.

1) Congress is sworn in on January 3, 2001. They have something important to handle...

2) A single member of the House calls into question the process in Florida, party depending on which candidate is in trouble. For technical reasons a member of the other party does the same.

3) The House votes by state delegation, one vote per state, to award Florida's electoral votes. Majority rules in each state delegation so if California has 53 Democrats that's one vote for Al Gore. 27 Democrats and 26 Republicans is one vote for Al Gore. At this time 30 of the states had Republican majorities. Bush wins.

4) It goes to the Senate where Gore is liable to win by virtue of Joe Lieberman casting the 50th Democratic vote and Gore himself breaking the tie.

5) Under the Constitution this tie means that the governor of Florida will make the final decision as to how his state's electoral votes go. Want to take a guess as to how JEB BUSH will decide?



It appears Hayes never intended to seek a second term, considering himself a filler for James Garfield for reasons not entirely clear.

As for John Quincy Adams, another result was Andrew Jackson winning the next election and then learning Adams had been the only one other than President Monroe to support him during a diplomatic crisis with the British while his own running mate(Vice President Calhoun) had been ready to see him turned over to the British and executed.

As for 2004 obviously since Bush won and the election was never considered a sure thing for Kerry your point about such elections as 2000 leaving the winner politically crippled is somewhat questionable.
 
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