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codger said:
How did China remain an industrial power-house in your time line? And why isn't it one of the countries working on a nuclear weapon?

For the record, there's enough lingering anger against the British in India that I can only imagine the rage against France for dropping a nuclear bomb on a huge city.

There's room for Chinese influence in fostering Indian separatism.

(That would be after China gets the bomb, what with France being run by a psychopathic militarist-nationalist.)

I've tried to find it, but what does UNAA stand for????
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China remain an industrial power because they surrendered after being nuked once knowing that more assualts would destroy the country, so they took the fairly reasonable terms of the European forces, rather than slowly killing themselves in a long war.
UNAA stands for United North American Alliance, as each state had a fair bit of internal control when it formed.
As for India, they are very upset with the French, but those that had remained loyal are glad that the seperatist were delt with. Most had felt themselves fairly saf under French rule, and the seperatist nation were infact mostly led by power hungry french governors, not the people.
 
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New sociatist flag
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codger

It sounds like the French in this time-line avoided the British practice of bleeding India dry as was the case in the OTL. I wonder how that would be possible since the British financed many of their other wars on the backs of the Indian peasantry.

Even so, I find it doubtful that there would be that little outcry over the destruction of an entire city, inhabited no doubt by natives and not colonists.

This Dalgiers fellow still sounds way-dangerous. Fanatical nationalists tend to have a very simplistic, unrealistic view as to what makes their nation "great" and they tend to believe that no matter how cruel and murderous they become in defence of their nation that they are absolved of guilt because they're so naturally "good" that any crime is justifiable.
 
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codger said:
It sounds like the French in this time-line avoided the British practice of bleeding India dry as was the case in the OTL. I wonder how that would be possible since the British financed many of their other wars on the backs of the Indian peasantry.

Even so, I find it doubtful that there would be that little outcry over the destruction of an entire city, inhabited no doubt by natives and not colonists.

This Dalgiers fellow still sounds way-dangerous. Fanatical nationalists tend to have a very simplistic, unrealistic view as to what makes their nation "great" and they tend to believe that no matter how cruel and murderous they become in defence of their nation that they are absolved of guilt because they're so naturally "good" that any crime is justifiable.
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The ground-zero of the nuclear assault was the governor's estate, where the unofficial government was centered, so civilian causualties where less than 30 000, which and it was moslty the rich people in that area. There is still outcry, but Dalgiers has taken control of media and education, to put him in a better light.
 

codger

Okay. You have to make it plausible.

Sometimes you would like things to be different, but sometimes the best person for reviving a worthy concept (like France in 1945) takes someone like Charles DeGaulle. Or, in England's case; Churchill.

Such men would be embarrassments in another less desperate times.
 
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The American anti-Quebec sentiment that awoke in the Great War continued to grow though out the 1930s. In 1935 UNAA elections the Indepence party one a stunning victory, with their promises of more independant economic and foreign affairs, and numerous reforms to the political system. They also changed the flag and name of the country after national referendums. The country was now called the Federal Republic of America to show their unity. In 1937 they signed free treade agreements with France and Turkey, the two other great nationalist nations. The agreement secretly formed the Iron Entente, though it was at this point entirely defensive.
Here's the new Flag.
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Falastur

Interesting. Do the individual parts mean anything? Obviously the stars are for states, but the red and white crosses? And the background?
 

Tom Veil

What's the flag of Norway in this dimension? If it's the OTL flag, then the Federal Republic of America's choice of flags will raise eyebrows.
 
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The Flag is based of the Union Jack to some degree, though the low Scottish population and numerous other factors caused it to lose the diagonal white stripes. Iceland is a British territory if you remember, so there is no conflict their.
 

Falastur

Beedok said:
The Flag is based of the Union Jack to some degree, though the low Scottish population and numerous other factors caused it to lose the diagonal white stripes. Iceland is a British territory if you remember, so there is no conflict their.
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Of course, that Icelandic flag didn't come into use OTL until 1915 anyway. In this year OTL, Iceland didn't even have a national flag.
 

Falastur

Beedok said:
:confused: It's 1937.
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Oops. Sorry, I've been following several TLs and I obviously got them mixed. I try too hard to just memorise the facts sometimes, it leads me to get complacent in double-checking the facts :( My mistake. But yeah, either way the way the world has changed would probably have altered any Icelandic flag anyway.
 
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The Arts

An important point to note about Sociatism is that it is against most arts. They support large monuments, with anonymous makers, and impressive architecture, but paintings or plays are viewed as excessive devices wasting ressources. They also felt that painters or composer drew to much attention and would create nationalism. Therefore many painters and compossers left to other nations to practice their arts.
In comparison the Turks, and later the F.R.A. and Third Republic, put up large sums of government money to the arts to increase national pride. They also accepted artist from sociatist nations as propaganda, to show that other people would want to join their cultures. Arts in Britain and Deutchland went to a modernist and somewhat minimalist form of art, though with influence from the immigrants from Sociatist (and in the case of Britain Japan). This meant that the arts were notably different than OTL.
As for cinema (which was invented about 3 years later than OTL) no country has come to dominate, as Europe has been devasted first hand, and Quebec has lost large amounts of money in the wars. China's cinema had been doing well, but weakened due to the war aswell. Dalgiers has however decide that cinema is a good way to spread the French arts to the masses and exporting it, without it being lost in France. Fearing French culteral dominance Britain and Deutchland have begun to increase their film production as well.
 
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There was one thing that the nationalist government of the F.R.A. felt it needed to do to prove itself, and that was to regain though territories in Quebec which were orginally American. However when the officials looked at the situation they realised only a part of that territory had an anglophone majority that had stayed, so they soon decide to take only thoughs regions. The President soon visited the old King of France, to ask for those territories, offering significant monetary repayement. The King refused to hand over a single square foot of Quebec. The American public would not accept foreign rule over any Americans and pushed the government to demand a referendum. The crisis escalated for months, then the Crown Prince announced he would visit Savanah (the largest Anglophone city in Quebec), during Sept. 13th (the day the 1769 revolution began), to prove that the citizens of Quebec were loyal. What he proved was that they weren't, when he was shot while on parade.

The old King immediatly declared war on the Federal Republic of America, claming that they had supplied the terrorists behind the assassination. The Americans called upon the French Republic and the Turks to respect the defensive treaty that had been signed the previous year. Neither side made much ground, as the whole region was heavily populated. The French Republic forces mad a landing near Port Royal, but failed to take the city, creating an annoying front to maintain. The Brazilian army had been neglected for years, and was of little aid, the same with the other allies of Quebec, forcing Qubec to fight the war more or less alone. By mid 1939 the was without create victories on either side, prompting Dalgiers to go to the battlefield. However to weaken enemy morale he hosted the largest military parade in French history, and televised it for all the world to see France's glory. Most of the troops were militiamen and memebers of defensive battalions that would never leave France, but the effect was impresive and made the Quebecois soldiers fear that the enemy had a massive new army to send. Brazil became convinced it would be a massive catastrophy to stay with Quebec and negotiated peace on it's own, with Quebecs other allies cutting back aid or leaving the war. Other than hurting morale and stressing the King this had little influence on the war effort.

Meanwhile in Danemark anti-Deutch feeling has been growing stronger with the feeling that the southern pleblicites had been corrupt, British citizens in Japan have been offended by not being made a dominion, and the Deutch have made their Congo territory a part of their parliment (slightly less represented, though as it's less organized the officials said this ensured similar voter turn outs in all districts).
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codger

So the war is continuing to little effect? Why would they bother with the difficulty of an amphibious assault when someone like Dalgiers could land in the Federal Republic and attack Quebec from somewhere else by land?
 
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codger said:
So the war is continuing to little effect? Why would they bother with the difficulty of an amphibious assault when someone like Dalgiers could land in the Federal Republic and attack Quebec from somewhere else by land?
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Dalgiers had been busy governing in France, and they had hoped for a decisive victory at Port Royal, thinking that Qubecs military wouldn't be able to reinforce the city in time. Dalgiers has only now headed to North America because his government has fully stabilized, and he didn't want any rebellion while he was gone.
 

Falastur

Another interesting update. Aside from anticipating this war, you continue to purplex me as to where exactly this TL is going to ultimately take the world ;)
 
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