Dimension 459
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The Great War (1926-1932) was a confusing event full of twists and suprises. When the Sociatist forces invaded the Papal territories of central Italy, in late August the (catholic) French people demanded action to defend Rome, and forced the government to declare war on the sociatists, with Quebec, Brazil, Spain, Portugal, and the bulk of the New World soon joining this alliance. It seemed likely that the war would be over quickly with this massive alliance against the sociatists, then in Octobre king Louis I of Great Britain was assasinated by Irish seperatists. The British were quickly drawn into the war, when it was discovered that the sepratists were supplied by Quebec. The Prussian and Allemagnian people also demanded action, seeing this as a blow against democracy. This war, unlike many others was spread by popular opinion forcing governments to fight. The British and French did sign I treaty saying that no fighting would take place in the colonies between these to nations. It is obvious that the French feared they would lose their already unstable grasp on their colonies but British reasoning is debated. The American people rioted aswell, tired of constantly being on the side that opposide many of their ideals. The initial belief that it would be a quick war was proven wrong.
The Great War was proof for all that technology and disciplined armies would triumph over large rabbles. The British Navy was suprisingly succesful with it submarine warfare, preventing large amounts of supplies from the Americas from reaching Europe. However the greatest victories came in the air. When the Prussian's first unleashed their airplanes upon French airships it was a slaughter as the maneuverable planes (that had been going through extensive testing for years) were incredably difficult targets for the French gunners used to shooting other airships, while the german pilots had no difficulty downing the massive lumbering airships. In a short amount of time the British had working planes aswell, and perfected the carrier airship, for deep raids into France and Spain. The near total aireal supremacy allowed the Prussians and Britisgh to destroy any airforce bases where the French tried desperatly to build a new airplane based airforce (or airnavy as it was referred to by 459ers). Even with their technological edge the task of winning the war was still arduous, as the ground forces of the Catholic allies were far larger, and the British had lost the Strait of Gibraltor to a massive enemy assualt, making Italy all but unsuppliable with the Turks having cut the Dardanelles of from everyone.
Due to the ground level deadlock the British and Prussian forces made one of the most daring assaults in the history of Dimension 459 and sent a fleet of carrier airships to beseige Paris. By cutting the city off the atheist and democratic people who had opposed the war from the start could take the National Assembly and form a new republic. However things did not go perfectly to plan as officials of the First Republic managed to flee the city, and caused a civil war with First Republic troops fighting Second Republic troops.
The British were also able to attack Rio de Janeiro, and bomb the royal palace, forcing the Brazilians to hand back Patagonia in exchange for peace. They also began war in the Carribbean with Quebec, though Quebec had managed to build some planes in North America and fought on. By 1930 Spain and Portugal surrendered, leaving Quebec and Southern France the only areas to continue fighting. In 1932 the Quebecois government accepted peace at the cost of the Bahamas, and a limit to their navies (air and sea). This left the First Republic the only enemy and they were finally crushed by March 23rd 1932.
The balance of power had been permanently disrupted in Europe, with Allemagne given occupation of Austria, the Papal territories hand the the new Democratic Republic of Italy, Prussia given the French Rhine territories and Kiel regions, and the reforming of Belgium. The French spirit had been broken but German nationalism awakened. In the 1933 election the Duetch Unity party one a majority in Allemagne, and a large chunk of the Prussian Parliment, causing the creation pf Deutchland from Prussia and Allemagne. Thus a war started to untie Italy ended up uniting Germany instead.
Due to the ground level deadlock the British and Prussian forces made one of the most daring assaults in the history of Dimension 459 and sent a fleet of carrier airships to beseige Paris. By cutting the city off the atheist and democratic people who had opposed the war from the start could take the National Assembly and form a new republic. However things did not go perfectly to plan as officials of the First Republic managed to flee the city, and caused a civil war with First Republic troops fighting Second Republic troops.
The British were also able to attack Rio de Janeiro, and bomb the royal palace, forcing the Brazilians to hand back Patagonia in exchange for peace. They also began war in the Carribbean with Quebec, though Quebec had managed to build some planes in North America and fought on. By 1930 Spain and Portugal surrendered, leaving Quebec and Southern France the only areas to continue fighting. In 1932 the Quebecois government accepted peace at the cost of the Bahamas, and a limit to their navies (air and sea). This left the First Republic the only enemy and they were finally crushed by March 23rd 1932.
The balance of power had been permanently disrupted in Europe, with Allemagne given occupation of Austria, the Papal territories hand the the new Democratic Republic of Italy, Prussia given the French Rhine territories and Kiel regions, and the reforming of Belgium. The French spirit had been broken but German nationalism awakened. In the 1933 election the Duetch Unity party one a majority in Allemagne, and a large chunk of the Prussian Parliment, causing the creation pf Deutchland from Prussia and Allemagne. Thus a war started to untie Italy ended up uniting Germany instead.
Here's the map for 1933. Note, a referendum was held in southern Danemark to determine which areas wished to join Deutchland, as the Danes didn't want to have to deal with a seperatist movement and poor relations with Deuthland. However more people voted to join the new german state than expected creating much resentment amongst many Danes. Corsica, Sardinia and the Balearic Islands formed the Mediterranean Commonwealth and declared independance from France.
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The Sociatists managed to lose somewhat more troops through inexperienced generals. Yes the war was incredably costly for France, but it cost Germany, Britain and Quebec about a million men each. The causualties were still less than OTL's WWII by a fair bit.
As for Germany, they have fairly strong leadership, but still took some time to fully intergrate the Prussian and Allemagnian government.
It's not that much different from OTL.
Very litttle, the emperor has a strong grip...though China is up to something...
Here's the flag of the Portuguese Empire of Brazil
Europe was exhausted by the Great War. The cost of the war had been massive for all forces involved, with millions dead. China, however, had none of these problems. They had profitted from the war by selling weapons and other goods to both sides of the war, so that the European "barbarians" could continue blowing each other to bits. The Emperor however now saw the European weariness as a chance to regain the cities lost to Britain in the Chinese War(1841-1847). With their Thai and Corean allies the Chinese attacked the Biritsh cities of Hong Kong, Ulsan, Zoushan, Macau, and Port Elizabeth (OTL Vladivostok) in 1934. The Thai also attack British Vietnam, hoping to build their empire. The British shocked by this sudden attack mabilized what ever forces they could. This meant mostly Japanese regiments, which quickly landed in Corea, and later southern China from Framosa. The Anzac regiments were sent mostly to eastern Manchuria. However the British were still Just barely holding on, causing the Chinese to grow even more confident and attack the Sociatist alliance aswell. The central asian front was the longest that Dimension 459 had ever seen. The Sociatists were horribly commanded, as they had learned in the previous war to use their numbers, the only true advantage they had, but attenpts to do this against the Emperors armies was a total failure, as the Chinese had a far larger army.
The Chinese had another advantage: rocketry. Using their massive industrial base, which grew during the Great War, they created massive numbers of missiles, which they called Emperors Fingers. When the Deutch entered the war in 1935 Adolf Bismarck informed the other leaders that they needed to create the most powerful weapon possible, and taken the best physists of Deutchland and the British Empire started work on the Nuclear Bomb. Many Mongols and Tibetans, wishing for independance from China began to help the European forces at this point. The war was finally brought to an end in 1936 when German Bombers set out from Japan carrying a nuclear bomb which they dropped upon the main Chinese army encampment in Corea, killing approximatly 86 000 soldiers, and wounding tens of thousnads more. The Deutch then informed the Emperor that they would use this weapon again if the Chinese did not surrender.
During this period the Second French Republic simply wallowed in corrupt self pity, and allowed numerous regions becom independant of France in all but the external belief that France controlled these areas. This map shows the world right before Chinese surrender.
The Chinese had another advantage: rocketry. Using their massive industrial base, which grew during the Great War, they created massive numbers of missiles, which they called Emperors Fingers. When the Deutch entered the war in 1935 Adolf Bismarck informed the other leaders that they needed to create the most powerful weapon possible, and taken the best physists of Deutchland and the British Empire started work on the Nuclear Bomb. Many Mongols and Tibetans, wishing for independance from China began to help the European forces at this point. The war was finally brought to an end in 1936 when German Bombers set out from Japan carrying a nuclear bomb which they dropped upon the main Chinese army encampment in Corea, killing approximatly 86 000 soldiers, and wounding tens of thousnads more. The Deutch then informed the Emperor that they would use this weapon again if the Chinese did not surrender.
During this period the Second French Republic simply wallowed in corrupt self pity, and allowed numerous regions becom independant of France in all but the external belief that France controlled these areas. This map shows the world right before Chinese surrender.
I'm still watching, but can't think what to say, apart from Keep Up The Good Work. I generally drool over maps and peace treaties, so I'm eagerly awaiting the official border changes, presumably in the next update. Also, I find myself wondering how long Quebec can hold onto the American Colonies (not the kind of thing I would think very likely in most TLs) and what would happen if the Americans broke free.
The Treaty forced upon the Chinese was very harsh, giving Tibet and Mongolia their independance. The creation of East Manchuria was the most controversial effect of the war, with the Sociatist wisihing to cut China off from the numerous ports on that cost. Britain gained influence over Corea, but did lose a couple cities in the treaties. In the same year the Netherland's colonial empire collapsed due to Native pressure.
In 1936 the Second French Empire began to collapse, as pro-Sociatist rebels in Australia, South Africa and Mainland France becan to rebel, hoping for aid from the Sociatist alliance. Unfortunatly for them the alliance was to busy occpying East Manchuria and relocating inhabitants either into or out of China. They did still manage to gain a good deal of territory, as the government had allowed the military to degrade significantly. However in Algiers a man who had grown to be a General since the Great War, lead a coup of the city. Leading a growing army he secured the French North African coastline, and then set off to cross the Medditerranean. However the Mediterranean Commonwealth refused him passage through their waters. Duniers, the Gerneral, was forced to land on Sardinia and take the islands. Some believe he had planned to attack anyway based of how precise his invasion was. The war to take the Commonwealth was over suprisingly quickly as Duniers earned the loyalty of soldiers and sailors in Southern France, who attacked from the north, crushing the short lived Medditerranean Commonwealth. when he finally arrived in France he found little resistance, as the bulk of the Sociatist and 2nd Republic forces were fighting in the north. On April 1st 1936 the Sociatist forces took Paris, forcing the heads of the 2nd Republic to flee south. Duniers had been just two days from the city with his army, so the politicians fled to him, asking him for support. When they arrived at his camp and begged him for assistance he told them he could off them some supplies, when asked what he made his famous quote, " I'm low on supplies, but can offord to give you one bullet each." With that he had them executed for the treasonous activity of weakening France. By April 12th he had taken Paris ahd formed the Third Republic, now going by the name of Charlamagne M. Dalgiers, the M. standing for Muhammad, which he added due to his being Muslim.
Upon gaining control of France he set about to reinstated French rule over the breakway nations across the empire. He did best in his home continent of Africa, but India collapsed into total chaos. The British grew worried that they could lose their Indian colony if things got worse, but then Dalgiers showed his determination at victory by dropping a nuclear bomb upon the citiy of Delhi. The break away nations all surrendered in fear within a few weaks. The to scientist who had worked on the nuclear bomb, Adolf Bismarck and Sir. Gregory Hawking, both announced their outrage at the nuclear bomb being used on civilians, yet Dalgiers stated that a convential war would have been far worse for everyone. By January 18th 1937 Dalgiers had completely taken back the French Empire.
This map shows December 4th 1936 the day Delhi was hit. Note that the dark regions of the British Empire are Dominios with almost complete internal athority.
In 1936 the Second French Empire began to collapse, as pro-Sociatist rebels in Australia, South Africa and Mainland France becan to rebel, hoping for aid from the Sociatist alliance. Unfortunatly for them the alliance was to busy occpying East Manchuria and relocating inhabitants either into or out of China. They did still manage to gain a good deal of territory, as the government had allowed the military to degrade significantly. However in Algiers a man who had grown to be a General since the Great War, lead a coup of the city. Leading a growing army he secured the French North African coastline, and then set off to cross the Medditerranean. However the Mediterranean Commonwealth refused him passage through their waters. Duniers, the Gerneral, was forced to land on Sardinia and take the islands. Some believe he had planned to attack anyway based of how precise his invasion was. The war to take the Commonwealth was over suprisingly quickly as Duniers earned the loyalty of soldiers and sailors in Southern France, who attacked from the north, crushing the short lived Medditerranean Commonwealth. when he finally arrived in France he found little resistance, as the bulk of the Sociatist and 2nd Republic forces were fighting in the north. On April 1st 1936 the Sociatist forces took Paris, forcing the heads of the 2nd Republic to flee south. Duniers had been just two days from the city with his army, so the politicians fled to him, asking him for support. When they arrived at his camp and begged him for assistance he told them he could off them some supplies, when asked what he made his famous quote, " I'm low on supplies, but can offord to give you one bullet each." With that he had them executed for the treasonous activity of weakening France. By April 12th he had taken Paris ahd formed the Third Republic, now going by the name of Charlamagne M. Dalgiers, the M. standing for Muhammad, which he added due to his being Muslim.
Upon gaining control of France he set about to reinstated French rule over the breakway nations across the empire. He did best in his home continent of Africa, but India collapsed into total chaos. The British grew worried that they could lose their Indian colony if things got worse, but then Dalgiers showed his determination at victory by dropping a nuclear bomb upon the citiy of Delhi. The break away nations all surrendered in fear within a few weaks. The to scientist who had worked on the nuclear bomb, Adolf Bismarck and Sir. Gregory Hawking, both announced their outrage at the nuclear bomb being used on civilians, yet Dalgiers stated that a convential war would have been far worse for everyone. By January 18th 1937 Dalgiers had completely taken back the French Empire.
This map shows December 4th 1936 the day Delhi was hit. Note that the dark regions of the British Empire are Dominios with almost complete internal athority.
hmm...interesting. I have to say I'm somewhat surprised that an Algerian colonial managed to overrun the French Empire, thoughh I guess the circumstances were right. I his taking of the name Muhammed is a precedent - that he intends his religion to be a key part of his governance - then France could get messy - a Christian empire with large Muslim areas. Could descend into civil war, and quite a bloody one at that. Still, the majority of the French army came directly from France - surely these soldiers stand a chance of deserting en masse? And with nuclear weaponry being used to keep the rebellious colonies in line, will Charlemagne Muhammed be forced to recruit heavily from Muslim Africans for the new french army? I would say that I'd cross my fingers for Britain to take advantage of such a position, but this TL hasn't exactly been characterised by stunning British over-achievement 
Still, there is potential. One presumes that the UK and France will now get into a fight over the Dutch East Indies. The Muslims natives will probably side with the Muslim French whereas the colonials will probably look to the British as a country more in line with their own.
I have to say that I'm still wondering what Quebec will do. I don't seem to recall the full origins of their separation from France. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how their population, economy, military etc compares with that of the (former) 13 colonies and with that of France, UK, Germany etc in Europe? On the one hand their size makes them seem very threatening, on the other I can't get over how historically the French North American possessions were massively under-populated and very economically weak. Surely their not possessing the eastern seaboard will really start to hurt their economy in the next few decades?
I'm also a little surprised that, after being forced to cede land here, there and everywhere, China - completely cut off from the inland Indochina - still retains overlordship according to that map.
Still, there is potential. One presumes that the UK and France will now get into a fight over the Dutch East Indies. The Muslims natives will probably side with the Muslim French whereas the colonials will probably look to the British as a country more in line with their own.
I have to say that I'm still wondering what Quebec will do. I don't seem to recall the full origins of their separation from France. Perhaps you could enlighten me as to how their population, economy, military etc compares with that of the (former) 13 colonies and with that of France, UK, Germany etc in Europe? On the one hand their size makes them seem very threatening, on the other I can't get over how historically the French North American possessions were massively under-populated and very economically weak. Surely their not possessing the eastern seaboard will really start to hurt their economy in the next few decades?
I'm also a little surprised that, after being forced to cede land here, there and everywhere, China - completely cut off from the inland Indochina - still retains overlordship according to that map.
Charlamagne is religious, but he's not going to force convertions. While single minded, he's no fanatic, and is smart enough to see that anti-christian policies could get him overthrown. The Brits for their part are strong enough to be definetly in the top 3 most powerful nations.hmm...interesting. I have to say I'm somewhat surprised that an Algerian colonial managed to overrun the French Empire, thoughh I guess the circumstances were right. I his taking of the name Muhammed is a precedent - that he intends his religion to be a key part of his governance - then France could get messy - a Christian empire with large Muslim areas. Could descend into civil war, and quite a bloody one at that. Still, the majority of the French army came directly from France - surely these soldiers stand a chance of deserting en masse? And with nuclear weaponry being used to keep the rebellious colonies in line, will Charlemagne Muhammed be forced to recruit heavily from Muslim Africans for the new french army? I would say that I'd cross my fingers for Britain to take advantage of such a position, but this TL hasn't exactly been characterised by stunning British over-achievement
The British won't be starting any wars soon, their rather tired from the Great War and Second China war.
The population of Qubec is relatively similar to the contemparary OTL USA, at about 90 million. The UNAA has about 29 million, France (without colonies) has about 64 million as they didn't have the demographic stagnation of OTL's 1800s. Militaries are a bit harder to determine, but France is considered 1st, while Britain and Quebec are the next two, Deutchland 4th, Russia 5th and Turkey 6th. The UNAA is underrated though, and China is on the road to recovery. Oh yes the global population is 2 100 million, and only Deutchland, Britain and France are known to have nuclear weapons, though Quebec, Turkey and Russia are known to be working on them.
The current King of Siam is good friends with the Emperor of China, so they are allies.
How did China remain an industrial power-house in your time line? And why isn't it one of the countries working on a nuclear weapon?
For the record, there's enough lingering anger against the British in India that I can only imagine the rage against France for dropping a nuclear bomb on a huge city.
There's room for Chinese influence in fostering Indian separatism.
(That would be after China gets the bomb, what with France being run by a psychopathic militarist-nationalist.)
I've tried to find it, but what does UNAA stand for????
For the record, there's enough lingering anger against the British in India that I can only imagine the rage against France for dropping a nuclear bomb on a huge city.
There's room for Chinese influence in fostering Indian separatism.
(That would be after China gets the bomb, what with France being run by a psychopathic militarist-nationalist.)
I've tried to find it, but what does UNAA stand for????