Die Alte Welt Hat Überlebt- A Central Powers Victory Collaborative Timeline
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Infernomole’s US elections
Here, @ETGalaxy, @Hindustani Person, have this take at a possible 1920 US presidential election in this universe - that is, if Wilson wins 1916 and America does not enter the war.
Frank O. Lowden, who was a favorite of the conservative wing of the Republicans IOTL, emerges as the frontrunner early on without Leonard Wood's presence, and Wisconsin Senator Irvine Lenroot is selected Vice President to unite the party's progressive and conservative wings. However, with Wilson being viewed largely positively as a progressive peacekeeper amidst a bloody European war (racism notwithstanding), his presidency creating a new American "normalcy" and German-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans and Irish-Americans not being turned off by Wilson's increasingly prevalent Anglophilia (though Polish-Americans do grow a bit more apathetic by 1920), the McAdoo/Baker ticket triumphs over the Lowden/Lenroot ticket, even if by a narrow margin.
Frank O. Lowden, who was a favorite of the conservative wing of the Republicans IOTL, emerges as the frontrunner early on without Leonard Wood's presence, and Wisconsin Senator Irvine Lenroot is selected Vice President to unite the party's progressive and conservative wings. However, with Wilson being viewed largely positively as a progressive peacekeeper amidst a bloody European war (racism notwithstanding), his presidency creating a new American "normalcy" and German-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans and Irish-Americans not being turned off by Wilson's increasingly prevalent Anglophilia (though Polish-Americans do grow a bit more apathetic by 1920), the McAdoo/Baker ticket triumphs over the Lowden/Lenroot ticket, even if by a narrow margin.
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Will threadmark,Here, @ETGalaxy, @Hindustani Person, have this take at a possible 1920 US presidential election in this universe - that is, if Wilson wins 1916 and America does not enter the war.
Frank O. Lowden, who was a favorite of the conservative wing of the Republicans IOTL, emerges as the frontrunner early on without Leonard Wood's presence, and Wisconsin Senator Irvine Lenroot is selected Vice President to unite the party's progressive and conservative wings. However, with Wilson being viewed largely positively as a progressive peacekeeper amidst a bloody European war (racism notwithstanding), his presidency creating a new American "normalcy" and German-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans and Irish-Americans remaining steadfast Democrats (though Polish-Americans do grow a bit more apathetic by 1920), the McAdoo/Baker ticket triumphs over the Lowden/Lenroot ticket, even if by a narrow margin.
Just one question about the US- what would the Socialist party’s status be?
Alright, McAdoo it is. I’m glad you think Coxey is cool. In OTL, he was a pretty interesting character, so he makes for a fun alternate president.
@InfernoMole and I agreed to make the United States avoid any revolution. For now, I’m going for a three-party system between the Democratic-Labor Party, the Republican Party, and the American Party. I’m open to abolishing the electoral college, but American parliamentarianism probably won’t happen too soon, especially considering that the Coxey administration would primarily be focused on economic recovery and whatever war might come along in the 1940s.
As Russia is not Soviet, one can presume the Socialist Party is marginally stronger than OTL, since the failure of revolutionary communism to bear fruit in Russia means that the Left Wing Section doesn't defect permanently. Whether the Socialist Party grows, though, is dependent on the events of the 1930s.
This looks great! I think it’s interesting that the Republicans still go with a relative conservative candidate ITTL, but if it’s similar to the compromise that won Harding the nomination I can see it happening. You also have some interesting choices for running mates. Turns out Baker was a Georgist, which is cool, and was also a strong supporter of American entry into the League of Nations (which obviously doesn’t exist ITTL, but it proves that Baker wasn’t for keeping the US off the world stage). Maybe this leads to a 1920s United States that is a bit more interested in foreign affairs?
Assuming the SPA is still around by the time Coxey is elected, I can see the Socialists backing at least a few of his welfare policies, which could give the SPA some leverage in national politics once the Coxey administration is over. Maybe this leads to a four-party system ITTL, but that feels a bit too unsustainable IMO. Otherwise the SPA could be a kingmaker in American politics that usually affiliates with DLP.
I had this idea where Japan undergoes a libertarian socialist revolution led by a stronger Japanese anarchist movement. I dunno if that interests anyone and if people want to go with democratic Imperial Japan that’s cool too, but a socialist Japan could be really unique and fascinating scenario IMO.
Yeah, I did choose Baker to suit an "ambassador" role and to back up some of McAdoo's progressive credentials, as well as to keep Ohio in line. Since there's no WW1, Baker is unlikely to be Secretary of War; he's quite likely to accept a nomination for Sec. of the Interior (which almost happened IOTL) or even run for Governor of Ohio, successfully.
I do imagine that in these circumstances America would have to be a bit friendly with the new German world order, though prevailing popular opinion means it's still largely a neutral power.
Well, a socialist/anarchist Japan would be interesting, though would it still be called Japan? After all, Japanese anarchists tacitly cooperated with Korean anarchists, and/or Korea would probably rebel if anarchists manage to paralyze the Imperial government.
How about I retcon it to a failed Republican uprising, which ends with Joachim I abdicating, and the establishment of a limited Monarchy?
Neat! Actually, I could maybe make a list of a few presidential cabinets ITTL.
Yeah, I’m imagining a United States more open to free trade with Europe, but from a geopolitical standpoint the American policy would still be neutrality. If Germany seeks to form a League of Nations-esque organization, however, I can see Baker encouraging American entry.
I think a name along the lines of “Asian Socialist Federation” or something like that is more likely. Naming this nation the East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere could be good for irony.
Will anyone here help with South America? What I’m thinking is that Germany and the US try to help the Carrancistas and Zapatistas in Mexico as they did in OTL, Germany gains French Guiana, Argentina is a central power, but slowly begins to turn Romanist, and so on...
Joachim died in 1920. Perhaps retcon it into a failed uprising after his death given that his son was only 4 when he died?
Hm. I'm definitely not an expert on South America, but I do think Romanist Argentina would be rather interesting. What else did you have in mind?
Haiti and Brazil remain neutral because of a smaller U-Boat campaign, and Chile,Panama, and Cuba joining the central powers due to Anti-Britishness.
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