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Once again, why must Japan be far-left in a Central Powers victory scenario?

Japan is on the side of the Entente, mostly because of the Anglo-Japanese Alliance. And with Britain falling to Proactivism/Romanism, Japan is left without allies.

Do you have a different suggestion for a far-left nation beyond France?
 
The 2018 Polish election
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2018 Sejm election in Poland
 
@mikroraptor , why should Poland not get parts of Ukraine in your opinion? I like the effort you put into such electoral maps, but firstly, we should wait for the results of all the votes on Poland (e.g. the map is not plausible if we go for an illiberal right-wing democracy or even a dictatorship), and secondly, I don't think the eastern border is suitable.

But there, we should wait for more competent input from @Augenis and @Jan Olbracht
 
@mikroraptor , why should Poland not get parts of Ukraine in your opinion? I like the effort you put into such electoral maps, but firstly, we should wait for the results of all the votes on Poland (e.g. the map is not plausible if we go for an illiberal right-wing democracy or even a dictatorship), and secondly, I don't think the eastern border is suitable.

But there, we should wait for more competent input from @Augenis and @Jan Olbracht
much of the region that I gave to Ukraine was majority Ukrainian. As for the eastern border, I have Poland annexing the Minsk and Brest Oblasts from Belarus post ww2

the Election can be retconned if Poland turns out to be non democratic
 
What would you think about syndicalist Japan? Would that maybe work better - it has a normal government and a "conventional" revolution, but it is syndicalist? That would at least be less crazy than anarchists...
Do what you want. I just point out faults in historical plausibility whenever you ping me
 
Many thanks for doing that! Your input is very valuable!

Are you interested in doing something (a history, elections, infoboxes, whatever you want) on Lithuania?
I have a chicken's leg for a hand and thus can't draw anything, but how about this idea for Lithuanian history:

  • 1918: Vaclau Lastouski's proposal for a federal Lithuanian-Belarusian state is accepted by the Council of Lithuania, and later approved by the German occupation authorities in Ober-Ost as a bulwark against Soviet aggression. The proposal for an Urach kingdom is eventually forgotten in favor of ensuring the loyalty of the local peoples.
  • 1919: The Federal Republic of Lithuania-Belarus (or Litbel) is officially founded, with Lastouski as the first President, Stanislaw Narutowicz as the first prime minister, a liberal constitution ensuring freedom of religion, speech, language and others, and Belarusian and Lithuanian as national languages.
  • 1920s-1930s: After initial problems over integration, Litbel enters a period of cultural and economic growth, the Lithuanian and Belarusian nations start to merge into one and pledge their loyalty to the united Lithuanian and Belarusian state. Not everyone is in favor of this change, however.
  • 1940s: Russia invades Eastern Europe. Radical Lithuanian nationalists led by Petras Biržys, Vytautas Alantas and the Vairininkai declare Litbel dead and overthrow the government in the Lithuanian part of the union, establishing a National Lithuanian Republic as a puppet state of the Russian State. The Vairininkai begin an extreme program of national rebirth and eradicating all influences of other cultures on Lithuanians, including demolishing churches to turn Lithuania back towards its old pagan faith, rounding up ethnic minorities such as Jews, and, at the last years of the war starting a genocide on Lithuanian soil.
  • Danielius Donskis - a non-communist Tito analogue - becomes the leader of a united Lithuanian and Belarusian underground resistance movement, joined by Latvians and Estonians opposed to Russian occupation. During Russian occupation and in the National Lithuanian Republic, they free Jews and other minorities from being rounded up, organize resistance activities and, eventually, staging a mass uprising as their allies start pushing from the West.
  • Donskis is a supporter of pan-Baltism as well as Lithuania's union with Belarus, and, through clever diplomacy with the Germans and the other allies, he receives the green light for forming the Federal Republic of Baltoslavia, between Lithuania, Belarus, Latvia and Estonia.
 
I have a chicken's leg for a hand and thus can't draw anything, but how about this idea for Lithuanian history:

  • 1918: Vaclau Lastouski's proposal for a federal Lithuanian-Belarusian state is accepted by the Council of Lithuania, and later approved by the German occupation authorities in Ober-Ost as a bulwark against Soviet aggression. The proposal for an Urach kingdom is eventually forgotten in favor of ensuring the loyalty of the local peoples.
  • 1919: The Federal Republic of Lithuania-Belarus (or Litbel) is officially founded, with Lastouski as the first President, Stanislaw Narutowicz as the first prime minister, a liberal constitution ensuring freedom of religion, speech, language and others, and Belarusian and Lithuanian as national languages.
  • 1920s-1930s: After initial problems over integration, Litbel enters a period of cultural and economic growth, the Lithuanian and Belarusian nations start to merge into one and pledge their loyalty to the united Lithuanian and Belarusian state. Not everyone is in favor of this change, however.
  • 1940s: Russia invades Eastern Europe. Radical Lithuanian nationalists led by Petras Biržys, Vytautas Alantas and the Vairininkai declare Litbel dead and overthrow the government in the Lithuanian part of the union, establishing a National Lithuanian Republic as a puppet state of the Russian State. The Vairininkai begin an extreme program of national rebirth and eradicating all influences of other cultures on Lithuanians, including demolishing churches to turn Lithuania back towards its old pagan faith, rounding up ethnic minorities such as Jews, and, at the last years of the war starting a genocide on Lithuanian soil.
  • Danielius Donskis - a non-communist Tito analogue - becomes the leader of a united Lithuanian and Belarusian underground resistance movement, joined by Latvians and Estonians opposed to Russian occupation. During Russian occupation and in the National Lithuanian Republic, they free Jews and other minorities from being rounded up, organize resistance activities and, eventually, staging a mass uprising as their allies start pushing from the West.
  • Donskis is a supporter of pan-Baltism as well as Lithuania's union with Belarus, and, through clever diplomacy with the Germans and the other allies, he receives the green light for forming the Federal Republic of Baltoslavia, between Lithuania, Belarus, Latvia and Estonia.
That's an interesting idea, and I like the Baltoslavia idea, but I think that Belarus would be more likely to ally itself with Russia, due to a shared common history.

I don't think I mentioned this before, @Red Arturoist, but the reson I expanded Poland so far to the east was so that Germany could send its Polish minority away
 
@Augenis , I love your ideas! What would be the borders for Litbel and for Baltoslavia in your view? So that I or somebody else can draw them onto a map?

EDIT: Baltoslavia can also serve as a power to keep both Poland (if it turns out undemocratic or so) and Russia (and other Orthodox countries) in check!
 
I don't think I mentioned this before, @Red Arturoist, but the reson I expanded Poland so far to the east was so that Germany could send its Polish minority away

I don't think Germany would ever do that in a non-Nazi scenario. This is also why I included a Polenpartei in my German posts. Pogroms might happen, but not expulsion of all Polish Germans.
 
@Augenis , I love your ideas! What would be the borders for Litbel and for Baltoslavia in your view? So that I or somebody else can draw them onto a map?

EDIT: Baltoslavia can also serve as a power to keep both Poland (if it turns out undemocratic or so) and Russia (and other Orthodox countries) in check!
What about Estonia + Latvia + Lithuania without Memelland + these borders for Belarus? Belarus would be rather big, but I imagine their influence would be offset by the Baltics
 
That is a really good question. The only thing that I can think of is that the emperor is assassinated, and the Regency that is set up is so woefully incompetent that there are widespread uprisings

We can take up that idea: The Emperor Hirohito is assassinated in 1920/1921, the regency is indeed woefully incompetent, and then, a communist/syndicalist/democratic socialist revolution breaks out. What do you think about that?
 
I don't think Germany would ever do that in a non-Nazi scenario. This is also why I included a Polenpartei in my German posts. Pogroms might happen, but not expulsion of all Polish Germans.
in OTL, one of the reasons that Germany wanted a Polish State during WW1 was so they could relocate and resettle the Poles in Germany. That may not occur ITTL, but it is certainly a possibility
 
Poland (Blank)
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based off what @Red Arturoist and @Augenis have said, I readjusted Poland's borders, expanding it to the south (I even added the Bukhovina Military District), and removing Brest Oblast, allowing for a contiguous LitBel or Baltoslavia. What do you think?
If the pol comes back in favor of a Liberal Democracy or Limited Monarchy, I will redo the Sejm election
 
Here are the results for the polls on West and East Australia. And only East Australia requires a runoff poll:

West Australia is libertarian-democratic:
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East Australia:

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China in 1930
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on a completely different note, here's China in 1930.

As the Japanese Revolution draws to a close, with Regency forces retreating to Taiwan, the Chinese factions each attempt to get the new government on their side.
Meanwhile, Sternberg's hold on Mongolia is slipping, and many suspect that a rebellion will commence soon. Tibetan and Nagaland forces have carved out "intervention zones" for themselves on the outskirts of the country.
In the countryside, a small communist insurgency has begun...
 
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