Die Alte Welt Hat Überlebt- A Central Powers Victory Collaborative Timeline

[Red Arturoist]

I just had another brilliant idea which could explain why Germany doesn't overextend itself in the Caucasus etc. pp.:

German control of Constantinople (and/or the Dardanelles Straits)!

 

[ETGalaxy]

Oh, and then a modern German Togo and Namibia?

Yeah, or considering that this is a CP victory TL, I was thinking of a modern German Mittelafrika. Depending on the extent of Germany’s colonial acquisitions after WWI and WWII ITTL, there could also be stuff like a German Indochina.

 

[Red Arturoist]

Yeah, or considering that this is a CP victory TL, I was thinking of a modern German Mittelafrika.

That would be overdoing it in 2019. German-speaking Mittelafrika, yes! But not German. Tansania and Zanzibar of course, Namibia, Togo, parts of Cameroon, of course, but not all of Mittelafrika.

 

[mikroraptor]

That would be overdoing it in 2019. German-speaking Mittelafrika, yes! But not German. Tansania and Zanzibar of course, Namibia, Togo, parts of Cameroon, of course, but not all of Mittelafrika.

Yeah, I could see the Germans holding onto something like Togoland up to the present day (sorta like French Guiana), but holding onto all of Mittelafrika seems implausible

 

[Oliveia]

I just had another brilliant idea which could explain why Germany doesn't overextend itself in the Caucasus etc. pp.:

German control of Constantinople (and/or the Dardanelles Straits)!

Absolutely not. Literally nobody would be happy with such an exchange.

 

[Red Arturoist]

If we do "Russian *Nazis are defeated in World War II", we would need somebody coming from the East, too.

What about:

• Washington allying with Japan
• and then helping establish something like the Greater East-Asian Co-Prosperity sphere, but a more democratic and equal variant of it. This could even become this world's major EU-type organisation...
• it naturally would include Tannu-Tuva, Mongolia, Mengkukuo (sp?)/Mengjiang, Manchukuo, one or more Chinese states, Indochina, and a Far Eastern Republic.

 

[ETGalaxy]

That would be overdoing it in 2019. German-speaking Mittelafrika, yes! But not German. Tansania and Zanzibar of course, Namibia, Togo, parts of Cameroon, of course, but not all of Mittelafrika.

Oh, you thought ethnically German Mittelafrika? No, of course not. That’s kinda impossible without mass genocide. I meant a Mittelafrika integrated into the German Imperial Federation.

 

[Red Arturoist]

Oh, you thought ethnically German Mittelafrika? No, of course not. That’s kinda impossible without mass genocide. I meant a Mittelafrika integrated into the German Imperial Federation.

I understand what you mean, but I think that even that would not be possible. Germany can retain Tanzania and Togoland and Namibia.

I never found the idea of "Imperial Federation" that plausible. A Commonwealth-like organisation, that is of course plausible, even with a few stronger bonds between the nations, but not Imperial federation. At least the Congo(s) should be a separate nation.

 

[ETGalaxy]

Alright, here’s the two ideas I got for what could happen to the United States.

• My initial idea was a North American Technate, most likely led by Howard Scott. It would likely be a totalitarian meritocracy, but maybe it could liberalize later on. After all, technocratic democracies are a bit underused IMO and could be interesting.
• My other idea was a libertarian socialist United States. It’s a bit overdone, especially in CP victory TLs, but I think they’re fun to work with. If people don’t want to go with the run-of-the-mill communist or syndicalist United States, I could dig up a more zany ideology.

Do either of these interest anyone?

 

[Red Arturoist]

My initial idea was a North American Technate, most likely led by Howard Scott. It would likely be a totalitarian meritocracy, but maybe it could liberalize later on. After all, technocratic democracies are a bit underused IMO and could be interesting.

That one, in an unliberated form I would say though, is something rarely seen.

run-of-the-mill communist or syndicalist United States,

That would at least enable an Amero-French Split to happen as I picture France as Orthodox Marxist. Maybe I'll make a Franco-Euskaro-Catalano-Italian Union out of this France - shall we?

 

[Red Arturoist]

Or what about a divided US? Communist - Nationalist (neo-CSA) - democratic or Communist - Nationalist - Technocratic?

 

[ETGalaxy]

I understand what you mean, but I think that even that would not be possible. Germany can retain Tanzania and Togoland and Namibia.

I never found the idea of "Imperial Federation" that plausible. A Commonwealth-like organisation, that is of course plausible, even with a few stronger bonds between the nations, but not Imperial federation. At least the Congo(s) should be a separate nation.

It depends on how Germany governs its colonies. If the Germans are especially brutal, stubborn, and depleted economically and infrastructure-wise, then yeah, an Imperial Federation is out of the question. But with the right scenario, it’s possible IMO. I dunno, it’s also up to other participants, I guess.

 

[ETGalaxy]

Or what about a divided US? Communist - Nationalist (neo-CSA) - democratic or Communist - Nationalist - Technocratic?

Partitioned Americas are a bit cliche IMO, and they don’t really make a lot of sense by the 20th Century. If there’s a civil war, sure, a few splinter states could exist, but a secessionist movement isn’t really possible. Regionalism just doesn’t work that way in the United States.

 

[Red Arturoist]

On my map, I incorporated Portugal betraying the *Axis in World War II and becoming a (moderately loyal only) ally of Germany.

 

[InfernoMole]

What about a large revanchist/ultra-nationalist/*fascist movement against a communist, French Republican Calendar-using government kept alive by Germany?

...Yeah, that revanchist movement probably wins easily.

Alright, here’s the two ideas I got for what could happen to the United States.

• My initial idea was a North American Technate, most likely led by Howard Scott. It would likely be a totalitarian meritocracy, but maybe it could liberalize later on. After all, technocratic democracies are a bit underused IMO and could be interesting.
• My other idea was a libertarian socialist United States. It’s a bit overdone, especially in CP victory TLs, but I think they’re fun to work with. If people don’t want to go with the run-of-the-mill communist or syndicalist United States, I could dig up a more zany ideology.

Do either of these interest anyone?

Either happening is a little bit tough without a Great Depression, and I presume this timeline does have one. Of course, the occurence of either is also dependent on past leadership obviously. Does the US join the war effort? That's kind of important as to whether the twenties have mostly Democratic or Republican Presidents.

 

[mikroraptor]

This was my thoughts on Europe in 1921 or so, featuring:
-Austria-Hugary is weakened, but not dead yet
-A civil war in the ottoman Empire, with Communists, Nationalists, Armenian separatists, Assyrians, Kurds, and Arabs (and a Greek intervention in Smyrna)
-Serbia is larger
-France is in civil war
and the rest I think has been covered before

 

[InfernoMole]

This was my thoughts on Europe in 1921 or so, featuring:

holy shit that Poland

This actually reminds me of the 18th century somewhat.

 

[ETGalaxy]

Either happening is a little bit tough without a Great Depression, and I presume this timeline does have one.

Yeah, a lot of timelines do have a Great Depression analogue. Even if there is none, there could be an exclusively American recession to spur discontent. I think Kaiserreich does something like that, where the American economy collapses in the 1920s and continues to spiral into decline.

Of course, the occurence of either is also dependent on past leadership obviously. Does the US join the war effort? That's kind of important as to whether the twenties have mostly Democratic or Republican Presidents.

I don’t think the Central Powers would be able to win WWI it the United States joined, unless the Americans allied with Germany for some reason. That could actually be kinda cool, now that I think about it.

 

[Red Arturoist]

I expanded upon my map, including a large(r) Communist state in Western Europe:

 

[Red Arturoist]

holy shit that Poland

I like that Poland, though I do like @Drex 's Polish borders a bit more, even...