Did German opinion of Italians change as a result of their surrender?

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Did German/Nazi opinion of Italians as a race/ethnic group change after Italy's surrender in 1943?

Is there some connection between the Italian surrender and the harsh German reprisals against Italians in response to partisans in the 43-45 period?

How Aryan were Italians considered by the Reich before and after 1943?
 

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Racially? No, but they treated their soldiers as PoWs and slave labor. Things got pretty brutal in Italy for Italians under German occupation if they weren't part of the puppet government of the north, while Italian workers in Germany on contract were treated as enemy aliens and POWs were not treated well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Social_Republic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milit...ld_War_II#Italy_and_Japan_after_the_surrender
I think South Tyrol was taken back to, which had been promised to Italy pre-war.
 
I think it can be agreed that Nazis have no friends, they only have people who are too useful to exterminate. I suppose the German opinion, at least on the govrrnment level, was negative both before and after the surrender, just more negative after the Italian 'Stab in the Back' (Nazis sorta have a thing about that kind of stuff).
 
Did German/Nazi opinion of Italians as a race/ethnic group change after Italy's surrender in 1943?

Is there some connection between the Italian surrender and the harsh German reprisals against Italians in response to partisans in the 43-45 period?

How Aryan were Italians considered by the Reich before and after 1943?

I believe Northern Italians were considderd to be "pure" Aryans since they had most likely had some Germanic blood too. So, at the top of the chain in a way like the Nordics and Saxons. Southern Italians, though still Aryans were not considderd "Prime cut" Aryans you could say.

I think that even after the Italian surrender this racial policy remained, not for those considderd traitors of course, but in general still pure Aryans. Could be that after the surrender Italians within Germany and occupied territory like France in the best case had an unofficial "honorary Aryan" title like Japanese citizens in Germany had. Just a purely political title, nothing concret that would always keep them safe from racial prosecution like Nordics had.
 
Only to a certain, low amount; the Germans were already resigned to the Italians being 'weak opportunists' anyways and simply worked to preempt the unavoidable defection as well as they could.
Northern Italians were seen as true Aryans, what with the Longobards and the historical or current presence of Germans in their Operational Zone of the Alpine Foothills, which was to be (re-)Germanized and eventually incorporated in the Greater Reich.
 
Italians, due to their turning their back on Germany not just once but twice in thirty years, "enjoyed" and still enjoy to a certain extent a reputation in Germany that is exactly the one the French had after 9/11 in the Anglosphere.

The term "treulose Tomate" (faithless tomato) describing somebody who is, well, faithless and flexible with their loyalties stems from the WW1 era and was originally coined for the Italians.
 
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