Did any war backfire more than the ACW?

Anaxagoras

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The war launched by King Croesus of Lydia against the Persian Empire in 547 BC. He had been promised by the Oracle of Delphi that if he went to war he would "destroy a mighty kingdom." Turns out that "mighty kingdom" was his own.
 
The Soviets would back them and call it a "war of national liberation" just to screw the West as Stalin did things IOTL. And in 1947 David Ben Gurion v. Hajj Amin Husseini and his contempoararies is pretty much going to lead to *an* Israel. An Israel that just happens to be isolated enough to be an Eastern Bloc customer with all the long-term disaster that entails.



Yes, as the Soviets will be their major sugar daddy.

I doubt it, the Russians in general and Stalin in particular are too anti-semetic for it to work in the long run. We are talking about someone who came up with the "Jewish Doctor's plot". In the long run they will abadon Israel.
 
I doubt it, the Russians in general and Stalin in particular are too anti-semetic for it to work in the long run. We are talking about someone who came up with the "Jewish Doctor's plot". In the long run they will abadon Israel.

But their Anti-Semitism was mostly expediency, not a core part of their ideology.
 
Of Estern European Christian culture, maybe. Of Communist ideology, no.
Though I have to admit, I hardly see Israel as a part of the Eastern block.

Of Eastern European culture, period. Russia didn't lose its anti-semetism merely because it went Communist.
 
Of Estern European Christian culture, maybe. Of Communist ideology, no.
Though I have to admit, I hardly see Israel as a part of the Eastern block.

In post-war Soviet propaganda, ''The Jew'' was seen as an agent of international capitalism. This, combined with the Russian chauvanism of many of the Soviet heirachy, and... well, anti-semaitsm.
 
DC isn't viable as a state. Personaly I would give the city to either Virginia or Maryland. The need for it to be a buffer between Northern and Southern states died with the ACW.

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Mheh. There are some things I don't understand in American politics that seem bound by tradition. It really beats me what would be wrong in making non-state representatives having voting rights in the House. Or even - the blasphemy! - electing senators somehow.
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Mheh. There are some things I don't understand in American politics that seem bound by tradition. It really beats me what would be wrong in making non-state representatives having voting rights in the House. Or even - the blasphemy! - electing senators somehow.
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Some Americans are upset that the constitution has been altered to ensure that senators are popularly elected...
 
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Mheh. There are some things I don't understand in American politics that seem bound by tradition. It really beats me what would be wrong in making non-state representatives having voting rights in the House. Or even - the blasphemy! - electing senators somehow.
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For one thing it takes a constitutional admendment which is time consuming and takes a lot of effort. Turning DC over to Virginia or Maryland takes merely an act by congress. That is MUCH easier and quicker. While we're at it I am all for turning PR, Guam or any other US territories that we have into states if they want to be. The problem with DC is that it is just a city and as such too small.
 
For one thing it takes a constitutional admendment which is time consuming and takes a lot of effort. Turning DC over to Virginia or Maryland takes merely an act by congress. That is MUCH easier and quicker. While we're at it I am all for turning PR, Guam or any other US territories that we have into states if they want to be. The problem with DC is that it is just a city and as such too small.

I tend to suppose that the fact that the Federal capital is within a particular state has some disadvantage, giving that state something more that equal footing with the others. Or at least I can see a lot of people looking at it that way; I kinda recall that there was a similar line of reasoning behind the creation of DC. Most Federal unions in the world have some form of Federal District where the capital is, after all. Of course, in most Federal unions the people of that district DO have full federal representation from what I gather.
My understanding of the matter is that states are the source of representation in the American system, in a way somewhat similar to the way the nation (whatever it exactly means) supposedly is in Europe. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh, well, this is not the correct thread to discuss this anyway.
 
For one thing it takes a constitutional admendment which is time consuming and takes a lot of effort. Turning DC over to Virginia or Maryland takes merely an act by congress. That is MUCH easier and quicker. While we're at it I am all for turning PR, Guam or any other US territories that we have into states if they want to be. The problem with DC is that it is just a city and as such too small.

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It may take a constitutional amendment but at least the part of making DC's representatives having voting rights in the House like those of any other district should have gathered a big consensus. It puzzles me why not, maybe it's a too red or too blue of a district, I don't know.

As to raising DC to a state-equivalent for senatorial representation purposes I don't think its size is that big of a deal because at least Wyoming is less populated than DC. That's the Brazilian (and others) solution. There are other solutions like pooling all diverse non-states in one big senatorial electoral area or just pooling the Pacific territories with Hawaii's electoral area, DC with Virginia or Maryland's area and creating a new one that pools PR with the USVI...

All this if one wants to preserve a symbolic federal capital like Falecius suggested but if more like you don't think of it as a big deal... then there you go...
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You don't have to abolish D.C. entirely. Just feed the places large numbers of people actually live to Maryland and Virginia and maintain a little D.C. bubble around the White House, Congress, etc.
 
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