And what your average modern day farmer probably has generations of experience not to mention they probably aren't using mechanised equipment considering their primary work force is slaves which basically means its horrible inefficient training or not.
Determined to Destroy Us - An Axis Victory Cold War TL
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And what your average modern day farmer probably has generations of experience not to mention they probably aren't using mechanised equipment considering their primary work force is slaves which basically means its horrible inefficient training or not.
Giving slaves mechanized equipment who have every reason to kill you and not have anything to lose isn't totally gonna backfire
I'm also pretty sure the primary work force wouldn't be, and was never meant to be, slaves. The entire point behind the Wehrbauer and the Blood and Soil ideology was that it would be Germans working the soil.
I think the slaves would have been directed more towards the more dangerous types of work, such as mining. And even that would be temporary, since they were meant to be worked to death.
Those they used for slave labor were never meant to be a permanent part of the Reich. Merely another resource for them to exploit until the settlers had arrived to take over and make the land "properly" German.
I think the slaves would have been directed more towards the more dangerous types of work, such as mining. And even that would be temporary, since they were meant to be worked to death.
Those they used for slave labor were never meant to be a permanent part of the Reich. Merely another resource for them to exploit until the settlers had arrived to take over and make the land "properly" German.
And manpower comes from where? I pretty sure the Germans didn't have enough volunteers to staff the east which meant that it was nowhere near productive as it once was again 2-year training program will not teach you everything and how many of these working-age men will be taken from more productive factories? It's a net loss under populated fields less factory workers and lack of productivity from those sent East
MARK IT ZERO, SEGREGATIONISTS!
But they don't give a shit about the rules.
Are you saying they are nihilists and believe in nothing?
Fuck, dude, say what you want about the tenants of National Socialism, at least it's an ethos.
Responsible for wiping out entire ethnic groups dismantling the culture of Eastern Europe and killed 100 million people because of their race I'm sorry but I prefer nihilism to national socialism
excuse me but I take jokes about Nazis very seriously mind you and IIRC jokes were supposed to be funny right
FWIW, the audience is meant to laugh *at* that line, not laugh with it - the character is a buffoon who's frequently overreacting, missing the point, and concocting plans that make bad situations worse. (That picture I posted of him pulling a gun? That was in response to a scoring dispute in a bowling match.)
Sometimes, there's a man...sometimes...there's a man....Aw, hell. Lost my train of thought.
Also for the collapse of Nazi Germany, I think this quote from the AANW explains and while a lot of it doesn't pertain to the fic some does
That assumes Germany develops in this timeline as it did in AANW.
Something happening in another "Nazis won WW2" timeline doesn't mean it will happen in this timeline.
For one thing, that version of Germany never developed nuclear weapons and was prepared for the possibility of fighting a fully conventional war. I also think nukes were kept a secret from them, so they didn't even know what nukes were capable of or how they could change the face of war.
This Germany has nukes and is well aware of what they can do, having used them on the Soviets and seen them used against Japan. The kind of unsustainable military the AANW Nazis had isn't likely to exist in this timeline.
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As for what I would have said if I wasn't too tired . . . It's not too much.
The Nazis tended to have a rather idyllic view of the agrarian lifestyle. There was this idea that urban life had a negative effect on the spirit of the German people, and that was one of the reasons they wanted to hand out a bunch of land to be used to form farming communities after their envisioned victory over the Soviet Union.
This is also why they'd be okay with there not being as many factory workers around as long as they were moving east to work the land, because in their eyes the land they seize isn't truly German until you have Germans working it. Though they were still pragmatic enough to recognize the importance of industry even as the fetishized farming. They did have plans to build proper cities in the east, and for the various settlements to have limited forms of industry after all. (You'd be surprised at the things the Nazis could be pragmatic about even as they ruthlessly pursued other, less pragmatic policies.)
As for where they expected to get the manpower . . . Babies. So many babies. They wanted it to be normal for German families to be rather large. They provided a number of incentives to couples that had a lot of children, with the incentives you got being greater the more children you had. They even gave out special medals to mothers with different grades as you had 4, 6, or 8 children.
You might point out that such a thing wouldn't be a very fast way to replace factory workers, since those babies have to grow up. They knew this. They were fully aware that settling and fully Germanizing the conquered territories wasn't going to be a fast process. That it would take generations of work to complete their grand designs. That they wouldn't live long enough to see their vision fulfilled.
But the fundamental idea was that the German people would pop out enough babies to eventually replace fill up any lost factory jobs as well as provide the numbers to properly work the conquered lands and fill them up with a robust German population and . . . Well . . . I think you get the idea.
As I believe I said earlier in the thread, they hoped to have a population of 300 Million by the year 2000. Something the United States was unable to achieve, and it already had a larger population than Germany in WW2. (That being said, they could still come pretty close to hitting 300 Million by the year 2000. At minimum, I'd expect 250 million Germans by then.)
Something happening in another "Nazis won WW2" timeline doesn't mean it will happen in this timeline.
For one thing, that version of Germany never developed nuclear weapons and was prepared for the possibility of fighting a fully conventional war. I also think nukes were kept a secret from them, so they didn't even know what nukes were capable of or how they could change the face of war.
This Germany has nukes and is well aware of what they can do, having used them on the Soviets and seen them used against Japan. The kind of unsustainable military the AANW Nazis had isn't likely to exist in this timeline.
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As for what I would have said if I wasn't too tired . . . It's not too much.
The Nazis tended to have a rather idyllic view of the agrarian lifestyle. There was this idea that urban life had a negative effect on the spirit of the German people, and that was one of the reasons they wanted to hand out a bunch of land to be used to form farming communities after their envisioned victory over the Soviet Union.
This is also why they'd be okay with there not being as many factory workers around as long as they were moving east to work the land, because in their eyes the land they seize isn't truly German until you have Germans working it. Though they were still pragmatic enough to recognize the importance of industry even as the fetishized farming. They did have plans to build proper cities in the east, and for the various settlements to have limited forms of industry after all. (You'd be surprised at the things the Nazis could be pragmatic about even as they ruthlessly pursued other, less pragmatic policies.)
As for where they expected to get the manpower . . . Babies. So many babies. They wanted it to be normal for German families to be rather large. They provided a number of incentives to couples that had a lot of children, with the incentives you got being greater the more children you had. They even gave out special medals to mothers with different grades as you had 4, 6, or 8 children.
You might point out that such a thing wouldn't be a very fast way to replace factory workers, since those babies have to grow up. They knew this. They were fully aware that settling and fully Germanizing the conquered territories wasn't going to be a fast process. That it would take generations of work to complete their grand designs. That they wouldn't live long enough to see their vision fulfilled.
But the fundamental idea was that the German people would pop out enough babies to eventually replace fill up any lost factory jobs as well as provide the numbers to properly work the conquered lands and fill them up with a robust German population and . . . Well . . . I think you get the idea.
As I believe I said earlier in the thread, they hoped to have a population of 300 Million by the year 2000. Something the United States was unable to achieve, and it already had a larger population than Germany in WW2. (That being said, they could still come pretty close to hitting 300 Million by the year 2000. At minimum, I'd expect 250 million Germans by then.)