Det som går ned må komme opp-An Alternate Royal Norwegian Navy TL

Driftless

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frankly, don't you think Nilsen will deserve a break after the war?
Absolutely, but he might get tabbed to be the first Secretary-General of the UN. (Trygve Lie filled that spot, so why not Nilsen? ;)). His preference might be to go sit on the porch of a fishing shack on a lake up on the Hardangervidda, but duty calls....
 
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Chapter XLVII
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Chapter XLVII: Ships and Cheap Weapons

February-March 1941
Horten
The final designs to build replacements for the Navy’s seagoing vessels were complete. Two destroyers, Gyller and Alesund, would be built on the two slips at the Naval Shipyards in Horten. They were based off Sleipner, but were larger and more modern, the former’s design dating to the early 1930’s. Carrying four Bofors 12cm guns identical to those of their four relatives in 60 degree mountings, two quintuple banks of 53.3cm Norwegian torpedoes, a liberal allocation of depth charges (or mines), two twin 4cm Bofors anti-aircraft guns in place of No. 3 Gun behind the single funnel, another feature where they differed from their predecessors, and finally a half dozen 2cm Oerlikons throughout the ship, they were optimized for modern combat, weighing 2000 tons full load as well as reaching 36.5 and 36.25 knots on trials in November and December 1942, respectively.

The British sent the Norwegians copies of their designs for the T and U class submarines, as well as assistance in building the vessels, which would be altered to take Norwegian torpedoes and their deck guns replaced with 4cm mounts. Two U class vessels were ordered from Frederikstad, which had built C and D class subs in the 30’s, as the E class, with future orders probable.

Four Otra class minesweepers were ordered from various small yards to help keep Norwegian waters less full of mines, while a half dozen corvettes of an improved design compared to that of the British Flowers were begun to help fight the submarines that lingered in Norwegian waters. Many trawlers were converted into minesweepers or improvised escorts.

The four surviving destroyers had their anti-aircraft machine guns removed, and a quartet of 2cm guns added to a pair of 4cm. The submarines lost their 7.6cm deck guns in favor of 4cm anti-aircraft weapons. The fact that Norway shared a border with Sweden, the manufacturer of the Bofors weapons, greatly helped her ability to equip her forces with Bofors guns.


As Norway began to build up the Navy’s offensive arsenal, Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Lend-Lease Act on 3 February, allowing the Allies to receive weapons and other supplies for little to no money, and Norway was no exception, or, well, it was, in that it received disproportionately large amounts of aid.

The Navy received a pair of old destroyers, the air services’ orders were sped up and future purchases given a discount, and the Army was sent old US Army supplies, which were mainly used for training new conscripted men. The biggest help from the US, however, was not charging the Norwegians money for their supplies. In this way, Norway was able to fight well without crippling its finances.
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As Norway began to build up the Navy’s offensive arsenal, Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Lend-Lease Act on 3 February, allowing the Allies to receive weapons and other supplies for little to no money, and Norway was no exception, or, well, it was, in that it received disproportionately large amounts of aid.
The Navy received a pair of old destroyers, the air services’ orders were sped up and future purchases given a discount, and the Army was sent old US Army supplies, which were mainly used for training new conscripted men. The biggest help from the US, however, was not charging the Norwegians money for their supplies. In this way, Norway was able to fight well without crippling its finances.

I am very interested to potentially see what exactly this aid will consist of. Every bit helps and alongside the fact that the local yards are producing fighting ships makes me confident in the fact that Norway's future should be a bit better going forward. The timeline looks pretty good for being run off a mobile device, I appreciate you sticking with the timeline even through some difficulties.
 
So how negatively has Germany's operations elsewhere been negatively affected? Will Italy supply troops that couldn't get to North Africa for Barbarossa? Will they send more int the Balkans?

I get the feeling that both sides become more consolidated in their respective areas, Allies in Africa and Axis in Europe.
 
I am very interested to potentially see what exactly this aid will consist of. Every bit helps and alongside the fact that the local yards are producing fighting ships makes me confident in the fact that Norway's future should be a bit better going forward. The timeline looks pretty good for being run off a mobile device, I appreciate you sticking with the timeline even through some difficulties.
The aid is mostly aircraft parts/crated aircraft, the aforementioned pair of old DD’s, and what WW1 Army weapons can be spared while still giving the British and French what they need.
So how negatively has Germany's operations elsewhere been negatively affected? Will Italy supply troops that couldn't get to North Africa for Barbarossa? Will they send more int the Balkans?

I get the feeling that both sides become more consolidated in their respective areas, Allies in Africa and Axis in Europe.
The capabilities of the Heer and Luftwaffe aren’t seriously impacted, beyond that I’m going to leave it vague both because I’m more focused on Norway and I don’t want to tie myself to anything for a future story.
 
Chapter XLVIII
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Chapter XLVIII: Wasting Money

1941
The recon flights from Oslo and Stavanger were clear: the Allies were greatly lengthening the runways at Fornebu and Sola Airbases, which would allow large Allied bombers to operate from Norway, striking farther east than any Britain-based aircraft could. The speed at which the facilities were progressing would put them in operation by the summer, according to the experts. This was a worrying development. A fair portion of the Luftwaffe’s bomber force was either in the Balkans or preparing for Barbarossa in late June, and the Norwegian defenses were judged to be good enough to require large numbers of aircraft for any effective missions, and the distances were troubling when compared to those of the disastrous Battle of Britain, still fresh on the minds of many. It was decided, therefore, to turn Aalborg, and Denmark in general, into a major obstacle for Allied bombers: anti-aircraft batteries would be put in place, while Aalborg and other airfields deemed acceptable would be upgraded to base large numbers of interceptors. Radar would also be positioned in Denmark when it became available.

When news came through a German agent in England that the Allies were discussing invading Denmark to flank German forces in France, Hitler took a personal interest in the Danish fortifications, ordering the peninsula to be fortified against Allied landings with a line of fortifications along the cost, not just an air defense network. Thus, a very expensive project was begun, soon followed by the Atlantic Wall. The Allies, therefore, had forced the Germans to fortify nearly 75 percent of the Danish coast, instead of just the western side of Jutland. Money was poured into Hitler’s beloved air defense network in addition to the expensive wall.

Germany had been duped. Though not an intelligence coup, the Anglo-Norwegian venture had been a victory. The Norwegian airfields were being lengthened enough that the big British bombers could fly from them, but that was just to make the Germans invest in defending their northern flank from being bombed. The main purpose of the airfields was to allow Coastal Command aircraft to mine the Baltic, though a bomber squadron or two would occasionally fly in for a week to scare the Germans. Next, the British, using one of their double agents, supplied the Germans with false information that an Allied invasion of Denmark would happen in the near future. In exchange for expanding a couple of airfields and drafting some extra false information for the day, the British and Norwegians forced the Germans to use valuable resources in large amounts to counter a largely non-existent threat. British airfields could send bombers almost as far into Germany as Norwegian ones anyway, so very few sorties of large bombers would be launched from the Norwegian airports, though they would be of good use after the war.
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Good use of the XX System. The Germans can't exactly afford a preemptive strike this close to Barborrosa, i suppose. And Hitler will be pleased once he learns the Allies were "scared off." Again, keeping Norway means the U-boats will have to run a heavy gauntlet before the air gap and will be powerless without resupply submarines.
 
Excellent updates, this Nord Wal is going to suck up resources and require a lot of troops to be employed there that could be put to better use elsewhere.
 

Driftless

Donor
Excellent updates, this Nord Wal is going to suck up resources and require a lot of troops to be employed there that could be put to better use elsewhere.
I know our author isn't about to bite off the huge task of how the remainder of how this WW2 plays out, so I won't lay that on him to answer, but rather put it as general questions...

OTL Norway was a big manpower sink for Germany. Denmark will take up much of that slack in this universe. How large of a force might be committed to the Nord Wal ? In 1941, that German force could be more mobile (in a general sense) compared to the forces more or less marooned in historic Norway. They could be moved somewhat more easily to other theaters. By late 1943 or 1944, that's not likely to be true. Moving large volumes of troops in convoy across open Denmark will be very difficult in that later time frame with Allied air power on the ascendance.

If France is bloodied, but still fighting on from North Africa (and elsewhere), that is certain to change the Battle for North Africa in a significant way. Probably no Afrika Korps? But probably more German forces throughout France? Maybe some form of South Wall along the French Riviera?

How do all of those changes impact the German headcount and TO&E available for any Barbarossa of this universe?
 
I know our author isn't about to bite off the huge task of how the remainder of how this WW2 plays out, so I won't lay that on him to answer, but rather put it as general questions...

OTL Norway was a big manpower sink for Germany. Denmark will take up much of that slack in this universe. How large of a force might be committed to the Nord Wal ? In 1941, that German force could be more mobile (in a general sense) compared to the forces more or less marooned in historic Norway. They could be moved somewhat more easily to other theaters. By late 1943 or 1944, that's not likely to be true. Moving large volumes of troops in convoy across open Denmark will be very difficult in that later time frame with Allied air power on the ascendance.

If France is bloodied, but still fighting on from North Africa (and elsewhere), that is certain to change the Battle for North Africa in a significant way. Probably no Afrika Korps? But probably more German forces throughout France? Maybe some form of South Wall along the French Riviera?

How do all of those changes impact the German headcount and TO&E available for any Barbarossa of this universe?
The Nord Wall will take less resources mainly because Denmark is less remote and they don’t have to send everything via convoy or by air. As for how large a garrison/resources diverted, think the Atlantic wall but expanded from the tip of Jutland to Copenhagen.
 

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The Nord Wall will take less resources mainly because Denmark is less remote and they don’t have to send everything via convoy or by air. As for how large a garrison/resources diverted, think the Atlantic wall but expanded from the tip of Jutland to Copenhagen.

That's still a fairly lengthy piece of real estate to cover. That would require a lot of concrete and steel rebar to fortify. Of course, the Germans will have some currently under-employed big caliber guns to put back into use too..... ;)
 
I wonder whether the resources put into the Nord Wall would cause the Atlantic Wall to be less formidable - or possibly less extensive - than it was IOTL?
 
Also to extend the wall south down the east coast of Denmark is going to involve fortifying lots of islands and with the exception of the Little Belt bridge you will need a ferry to get to them- more gardening for the RAF
 
Chapter XLIX
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Chapter XLIX: More Stuff and A Few Plans

Summer 1941
The Americans continued to give the Norwegians liberal amounts of aid through Lend-Lease. Now, more modern weapons were reaching the mountainous nation, instead of the old equipment of Great War vintage. Some M2 Tanks were supplied, which the Norwegians began training with eagerly after seeing the effectiveness of tanks firsthand in the battles around Oslo and Stavanger. Shipments of H-75’s were arriving as well. Of course, Lend-Lease equipment wasn’t limited to just combat units. Trucks, communication equipment, boots, construction equipment, all kinds of things were reaching Norway from across the Atlantic.

Norway was also making strides in domestic production. Small arms plants were subsidized and now churned out rifles around the clock. Shipyards scrambled to complete the newly ordered ships. Kjeller assembled crated aircraft and produced airframes for the Fokker machines while the capability to produce high performance aircraft engines domestically loomed almost within arm’s reach on the horizon.

Norway’s leaders were now deciding what Norway’s role in the rest of the War would be. The German holdouts in the Kristiansand area were at the top of the list. The problem was that getting a large force to the area by land would be very difficult logistically, not to mention the fact that there was a German airfield in the area, while the nearest Norwegian counterpart was too distant to counter bombing sorties effectively, and Norway lacked the ability to build an airfield in the area. An amphibious landing would be difficult, as any bridgehead established would be impossible to reinforce or support during the day without air cover. However, it was decided by the Norwegian high-ups that retaking the last German occupied part of Norway would be the first priority of the country during the War.
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Driftless

Donor
Could the Norwegains do some amphibious "port hopping" to shorten up the German perimeter a bit? Of course, they'd need landing craft, or at least something to use as a stand-in for them. Produce some in local yards?
 
A double punch of the Norwegians tricking the Germans into sinking resources in the area but also potentially planning on taking those areas could be Very damaging to the German war effort, even more so than they already have been.
 
I wonder if the allies would be willing to assist the Norwegians in any amphibious operations? There might be valuable training and experience in conducting landings for future operations.
 
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