Destroying of British Jews

What do you think how Germans would have been organized destroying of British Jews after successful Sealion. Would they have built extermination camp to British soil or carried Jews to German camps as Jews from other occupied countries.
 

mowque

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What do you think how Germans would have been organized destroying of British Jews after successful Sealion. Would they have built extermination camp to British soil or carried Jews to German camps as Jews from other occupied countries.

*screech* Back up. What was that?
 
While the nautical mammal that must not be named succeeding is ASB, had the Germans somehow occupied the UK the Enlösung, or Final Solution, would probably have been carried out fo the relatively small British population somewhere in the UK, as shipping them to France and then all the way to eastern Europe would have been a logistic nuisance. IMHO since the extermination of British Jews would not have been something the majority of the population would have approved of let alone helped with, I could see the Nazis set up such a camp someplace out of the way & isolatable, even the Isle of Man.
 
He's new , cut him some slack .

However , you should know that the Marine Feline is a taboo topic here on this website , unless you post it on ASB . The general consensus is that the German's could not pull it off for logistical reasons.
 

Cook

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He’s asking the hypothetical of what happens after the dust has settled. There has been several threads on subjects dealing with that.

It’s rather morbid but here goes.

The Nazi’s were be keen on "logical", cost-effective ways of mass murder that can be successfully concealed or explained away. They set up their concentration camps in Occupied Poland but not in France or the Low Countries. And of course they had the pre-war concentration camps still operating in Germany.

So England’s Jews could expect notification for “relocation” in the East. Is there some small port on the North Sea coast that is remote enough that they could set up a “Processing Centre” there without upsetting delicate English sensibilities?
 

Wolfpaw

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I personally don't think the Jews of Britain will be heading East to die; that's logistically unsound and expensive. The main reason Jews in Western Europe could be sent east so easily was due to the numerous rail lines that made transportation possible.

In my opinion, I could see the Nazis or whoever their puppets are setting up a camp on one of the smaller islands. The Isle of Man, Anglesey, and the Isle of Wight are too populated.

The Isle of Arran, however, could easily accomodate an extermination camp, and its only a short ferry ride away. As of 2001, its population was barely over 5,000, and I expect it was much lower in the '40s. And heck, it isn't even that far away from Glasgow, a major center of British Jewry IIRC.

Hell, the Germans might not even have to build a camp. If you turned the ferries into floating gas chambers, you could basically make the island into one giant mass grave.

Now if you excuse me, I have an immense urge to go bathe and offer some apologies to my Hebraic ancestors.
 
Would Final Solution happen after the Germans beat Britain though? If we're talking a 1940, German win in the BOB allows Sealion to work, scenario aren't we still early enough in the war that Final Solution as we know it doesn't exist yet? Would a win in 1940 mean some of the other less genocidal ideas to get rid of Jews (Spanish style expulsion for example) get any more traction in the Nazi hierarchy?
 

Cook

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Would Final Solution happen after the Germans beat Britain though? If we're talking a 1940, German win in the BOB allows Sealion to work, scenario aren't we still early enough in the war that Final Solution as we know it doesn't exist yet? Would a win in 1940 mean some of the other less genocidal ideas to get rid of Jews (Spanish style expulsion for example) get any more traction in the Nazi hierarchy?


The persecution of Jews in Germany and then each of the occupied countries was systematic from the moment of the Nazi takeover so the Final Solution seems almost inevitable to me.
You may have even seen the Wannsee conference brought forward to deal with the large number of Jews in a Germanic Europe that would be at peace. (Assuming Hitler hasn’t felt the need to rush an attack on the Soviet Union)


http://www.holocaust-history.org/hitler-final-solution/

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-wannsee.htm

Other thoughts on this?
 

Stephen

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Perhaps they will be taken to a sea port for "repatriation" but only 30 miles out they are all domped in the sea.
 
A question on a similar topic. The Germans had a "black book" of individuals to be targeted for execution should they invade. The individuals ranged from Winston Churchill to Virginia Woolf to Sigmund Freud (despite being dead...). Does anyone know where or if they have a copy of this online?
 
I doubt the Nazis would have gone through the effort of either shipping them to a death camp on the mainland or of building one in the British isles. Its more likely they would have taken a two fold approach.

1) Death vans similar to the ones used before the gas chambers were built would be utilized to kill off individual Jews and or small pockets.

2) Groups of Anti Insurgency troops in conjunction with local collaborators/thugs would probably pull Babi Yar like endeavors where large groups of Jews are rounded up sent to a isolated location and then shot.
 
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