Prediction: Who is going to win the Battle of Winchester?

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Chapter #9

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"After winning the battle of Winchester, Tudor's army had taken the Earl of Northumberland and 6,000 remaining pro-Yorkist soldiers prisoner. Henry demanded them to swear allegiance to him or else he'd execute them. Northumberland and the prisoners cowered and pledged their loyalty to the new Tudor king. Henry dismissed the earl, but Northumberland would pass away four days later after his health deteriorated from the wounds he got from the battle.

Leaving behind the 3,000 wounded Lancastrians at Winchester under Rhys ap Thomas's command, Henry traveled with the remaining 15,000 healthy troops to camp outside London for his coronation. On October 5th, the Lancastrians arrived and camped outside of the city under Tudor's orders. He summoned a scouting party of 150 mounted knights and ordered them to find Queen Dowager Wydeville and her daughters. Within four days, Queen Dowager Wydeville with her five daughters were founded and arrived at his camp unscathed and unharmed. On October 10th, Lord Mayor Robert Billesdon [1] entered Tudor's camp and ceremoniously handed him the keys to the city.

In a propagandistic act, Henry Tudor and Elizabeth of York triumphantly entered the city together escorted by Lancastrian troops. The crowd celebrated and cheered the new royals as they made their way to Westminster Abbey. At noontime, with Thomas Bourchier the Archbishop of Canterbury [2] presiding, Henry Tudor and Elizabeth of York were declared husband and wife while being coronated King of England and Queen Consort simultaneously. According to historians, this double act was the result of Henry sending letters to the Cardinal to do both the marriage and coronation at the time so that everyone knows that Henry becomes king by right of conquest and marriage on the same day.

Upon becoming King, Henry VII began awarding to his kin and supporters. First, he bestowed the Dukedom of Bedford [3] to his uncle, Jasper. Then, he also knighted his half-uncle John Welles as Viscount Welles [4]. Lastly, he knighted his stepfather Thomas Stanley as Earl of Derby and Surrey [5]. Henry, later on, knighted Sir William Brandon and Sir John Cheyne as Baron Brandon [6] and Baron Cheyne [7], respectively.

William Collingbourne [8] wrote a famous lampoon about Henry's victory at Winchester featured in George Shakspeare's Henry VII.
"The Duke, the Cat, the Rat, the Dog, and their merry men attempted to stop the Welsh Dragon at Winchester from taking the fair White Princess of England but to no avail."

– The Life and Reign of Henry VII (1898) by Herbert Adam Lockhart

Footnotes:
[1] The present Lord Mayor during October 1483.
[2] Current Archbishop of Canterbury during October 1483.
[3] IOTL, Jasper became Duke of Bedford, and ITTL he still becomes that.
[4] The same title was given to him, IOTL.
[5] Since Surrey was an earldom, I guess why not give Stanley both earldoms.
[6] ITTL, Henry's standard-bearer, is now dubbed William Brandon, Baron Brandon here.
[7] The same title also was given to him, IOTL.
[8] An opponent of Richard III IOTL who made an infamous lampoon against him and his supporters. ITTL Collingbourne made a parody about Henry's victory over the Yorkists at Winchester.

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Chapter #10

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"After his coronation and marriage with Elizabeth on October 10th, Henry VII already suspected that his claim to the throne was not entirely secure. With Middleham and the Earl of Warwick [1] being the legitimate Yorkist claimants, the King ordered an immediate search for the two. Within five days, the King received terrible news from the scouts. The scouts reported to him that they interrogated a Yorkist sympathizer. He confessed that prince Edward of Middleham and the Earl of Warwick got carried away to Burgundy to secretly be in custody of the dowager duchess. The scouts also reported that John de la Pole, the Duke of Suffolk, had escaped to Scotland with his three sons, Edmund, William, and Richard. Henry VII was deeply troubled by the news, and he immediately took action on October 16th.

On that day, Henry VII summoned Parliament for the first time in his reign. The resulted legislation was the bills of attainder against the Duke of Suffolk and the Earl of Warwick but most importantly, the Royal Succession [3] statute. This Parliament would be known as the "Resolution Parliament," considering that it was the Parliament that greenlighted Henry Tudor as the rightful undisputed King of England and Lord of Ireland.

The Royal Succession instates that the reigns of the late King Edward IV's son, Richard, and his son were declared null and void. The reason was that King Edward's son never ruled under his right, and the same goes for Richard's son too. Richard's reign got explicitly singled out as an unlawful usurpation from the former Lord Protector. The statute also instates that all Henry VII and Elizabeth of York descendants are lawful heirs and heiresses to the throne of the Kingdom of England and Lordship of Ireland.

After dissolving the Parliament, Henry VII began preparing the defenses against any impending rebellions against him. . ."

– The Life and Reign of Henry VII (1898) by Herbert Adam Lockhart
"King James III reluctantly accepted the escaping Duke of Suffolk and his three sons and housed them in Holyrood Abbey on their arrival. The Duke of Suffolk requested him multiple times to restore the deposed Yorkist prince Edward of Middleham to the throne on his behalf, but the King of Scots avoided his request each time. Upset over King James being avoidant and apathetic towards him, Suffolk secretly began hiring nearly about 2,500 Scottish mercenaries and conspiring with enemies against King James. However, agents of the King exposed his conspiracy, and he escaped into the highlands with his three sons. When King Henry VII sent Giles Daubeney to Edinburgh as an English envoy, he demanded the King of Scots to hand over the remaining De La Poles. King James III stealthfully told Daubeney that the De La Poles are "his problem now and not King Henry's." Nevertheless, he forcibly dismissed Daubeney thinking that Henry VII wouldn't dare intervene in Scottish affairs."
– The House of Stewart: James III (1897) by Alasdair B. Carmichael
"The dowager duchess was delighted that Prince Edward of Middleham and the Earl of Warwick arrived at Burgundy. She quickly brought them to her great household and attempted to plot with the Duke of Suffolk. After hearing that the Duke got exposed for his conspiracy, Margaret summoned mercenary Martin Schwartz [4]. She ordered him to travel to Scotland to help and assist Suffolk by all means necessary. On October 17th, Schwartz sailed off to Scotland with 500 German and Swiss mercenaries in secret. Margaret thought to herself that she can only pray for Schwartz's mission to succeed."
– Margaret of York: Daughter, Sister, Duchess (1889) by Dorothea Dawson

Footnotes:
[1] Edward Plantagenet, Earl of Warwick and son of George Plantagenet, Duke of Clarence.
[2] The Earl of Lincoln's father.
[3] I guess TTL's "Titulus Regius."
[4] The German mercenary who fought at the battle of Stoke Field IOTL.
 
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Well, this seems like this could get rather dangerous for King Henry.... The statute on the royal succession gives his reign further legitimacy at least. I think this may complicate things regarding foreign affairs here, as he'll be seen as a good deal weaker here than IOTL, so if he does have a son with Elizabeth, I imagine they'll have trouble finding a very prestigious foreign match.
 

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Well, this seems like this could get rather dangerous for King Henry....
Very dangerous indeed now that Middleham and Warwick are in Burgundy and Suffolk is brewing up trouble in Scotland. King Henry would likely have to something with the both of them in one stroke.
I imagine they'll have trouble finding a very prestigious foreign match.
I wouldn't say anything about King Henry's marriage prospects yet, but you could be right about no highly prestigious match for Henry's would-be firstborn son.
 
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Chapter #11

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"After his agents exposed the Duke of Suffolk's conspiracy, King James III went after him in pursuit with his 100 man entourage. The Duke of Suffolk escaped into the highlands with his three sons but eventually reached Inverness on October 20th. Also, on that day, Martin Schwartz arrived with the 500 mercenaries the Dowager Duchess of Burgundy lent. Suffolk was relieved that he had come to aid him in the bid for a Yorkist restoration. Later that night, both men sailed away from the city. The King of Scots predicted the Duke had escaped again under his watch, but he settled in. For five days, he sent out his agents once again and thought of the Duke's whereabouts until on October 26th, and he received news that'll anger him deeply.

An agent reported that "some men" had raided Edinburgh Castle and that his favorite son, James [1], Duke of Ross, had disappeared. The King of Scots angrily led his entourage back to Edinburgh within three days without haste. When he entered the castle on October 29th, he saw no damage in the interior and was puzzled by it. He then spotted a servant unharmed and began questioning him. The servant said to the King of Scots that his son was sent away to England. King James asked him again why the English would even dare kidnap his favorite son. However, the servant showed him a fraudulent letter that was too good to be true, detailing King Henry's supposed plan of kidnapping the Duke of Ross. The King of Scots became paradoxically perplexed by the letter and falsely believed that King Henry did indeed kidnap his son.

King James began marching off down to England with a force of about 2,000 Scotsmen on October 30th, thinking that King Henry would quickly capitulate in handing him over his son."

– The House of Stewart: James III (1897) by Alasdair B. Carmichael
"King Henry's court was welcomed by a supposed unknown guest from "afar" on the morning of October 29th. The servants of the supposed guest told King Henry that he was an exiled prince from a faraway kingdom where his father was a tyrant, and he banished him. The servants were questioned by King Henry and Queen Consort Elizabeth about the guest's origins until they confessed it was the Duke of Ross, second son of the King of Scots. Immediately distraught and angry, King Henry ordered his guards to seize and detain the servants. The guards sent the servants to the Tower for their suspected fraudulence.

With the King of Scots coming after him, King Henry VII had no other choice but to confront him and hand over him his son."

– The Life and Reign of Henry VII (1898) by Herbert Adam Lockhart

Footnotes:
[1] James Stewart, Duke of Ross and younger brother of King James IV IOTL.
 
"September 7, 1483, was proven to be the last day on earth for King Richard and his Queen Anne Neville. After they spent the day at York watching the morality play [3], which both sincerely enjoyed, they tragically passed away when the royal carriage erroneously stumbled upon a deep ditch and collapsed into it during the night time while in Lincolnshire.
York to the very edge of Lincolnshire is 50 km straightline. That's a long way for a horse-drawn carriage on medieval roads in less than 12 hours. Also, almost no one travelled by night. For one thing, the risk of accidents such as this.
[4] Both Richard and Anne perished instantly by the collapse, by the driver survived only to suffer heavy scratches and bruises all over his body. He barely made it out alive and passed away the following morning from the wounds. The bodies got later discovered by the next day.
The King would be accompanied by numerous attendants, not just his wife and a driver. At the very least there would be a mounted guard, in case of bandits, Lancastrian agents, even disgruntled Yorkists. And a second carriage for the royal luggage.
Dramatization #01
Windsor Castle, Berkshire, Kingdom of England
Monday, September 8, 1483
The privy council chamber was quiet. All the men who knew the deceased King contemplated about everything.
The King died on 7 September; his body was found the next day, 8 September. Windsor is over 220 km away. The news could not reach Windsor for at least a day, even if sent by a dispatch rider changing horses frequently. (The Pony Express did better, but with great expense and effort.)
 

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York to the very edge of Lincolnshire is 50 km straightline. That's a long way for a horse-drawn carriage on medieval roads in less than 12 hours. Also, almost no one travelled by night. For one thing, the risk of accidents such as this.

The King would be accompanied by numerous attendants, not just his wife and a driver. At the very least there would be a mounted guard, in case of bandits, Lancastrian agents, even disgruntled Yorkists. And a second carriage for the royal luggage.

The King died on 7 September; his body was found the next day, 8 September. Windsor is over 220 km away. The news could not reach Windsor for at least a day, even if sent by a dispatch rider changing horses frequently. (The Pony Express did better, but with great expense and effort.)
I reluctantly appreciate your clarifications, Anarch.
 
Final Announcement

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In regards to my personal feelings, due to my TL not going as smooth and streamlined as I thought it would be. . .

Within a week or two, I'll redo and repost the TL again to make it more "believable" and "streamlined."

I would also thank you all for supporting my TL, and hopefully, it'll be better within early December.

See you all soon. Cheers.

- Carolus
 
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