Describe Your own Tentative timelines, pre 1900

For a Vast Future Also - an American TL
The American Revolution goes as planned, except with a successful French Invasion of Quebec, and Florida is given to the United States as a Territory.
France uses Quebec as a place to harbor political dissidents, unwittingly setting up its own revolution in future years.
French Revolution happens as OTL, as does Napoleon.
XYZ affair leads to war with France, they attempt to take Quebec, with British aid, but instead set up a 'puppet' government there with the Orleanist faction reigning. Quebec becomes a hub of discontent French monarchists and anti-bonapartists.
An Imperial United States -The United States begins to spread its influence across the continent, eventually conquering all territory from the Quebec-Canadian border to Nicaragua.
Because the conquered Mexican territory is anti-slavery, slavery is actually, for the most part, peters out quietly.
British Scandinavia
German Denmark
This thread was linked on the wiki page, so I figured it would be ok to bump it.

I'm brainstorming a timeline where the US constitution is not ratified and the Articles of Confederation fall apart. The goal is to explore a world where North America is balkanized. I feel like this is a concept that has surely been done before; if you can point to similar examples I would appreciate it.
My Empire Lies Over The Ocean
POD: Neither Louverture nor Dessalines take part in the Haitian Revolution, Revolutionary France has to flee to its North American colonies.
  • Mormons colonise the Dakotas
  • Bohemian-Bavarian Unification
  • Survival of the Federalists (for a few more years)
  • Earlier Socialism (in New France)


The Western Leviathan
POD: American Revolution
- United States becomes monarchy
- Unites with Britain
- John F Kennedy becomes Asian-American woman
- FDR becomes woman and wife of Charlie Chaplin
- Kaiser Wilhelm II isn't a lunatic and is sympathetic to socialism.
A Grander Union
POD: Canada annexed after War of 1812
- More powerful US
- Earlier collapse of British Empire
- No Civil War
Copied from my earlier post.
Stupid, I am aware. deal with it. :D
The problem I have with this is that too many readers (for obvious reasons) would be skeptical at its possibilities. Although I still have some, I need more data to support this timeline.
basic idea is this.
1. 1788. French jesuit priests leave France at the eve of the French revolution. fearing plundering from bandits and for their friends in Beijing, they take large(like, a LOT) amounts of books aboard. They however meet a storm and are forced to find harbour in Korea.

2. Due to miraculous circumstances (the low-level bureaucrat being a Catholic), they are sent with their books to Seoul, where they meet Jeongjo (king of Korea).

3. The news of arrival, and the influx of large amounts of translated books promptly cause a boom in the book market, making printing to be lucrative and allowing government to develop new printing system and more printing presses.

4. Moderates and Liberals embrace the ideas of science, but hardliner Conservatives still resist foreign science. They fear their loss of influence and try, as last ditch, to assassinate Jeongjo(as a coup).

5. It fails, and most conservatives are forced into exile or are executed. With new budget based on revenue of printing press and confiscated wealth, Jeongjo launches various reforms in taxation, military and education.

6. Increased productions of porcelain, textiles and rice/barley prompt need for coal mining and increased population, starting proto-industrial revolution.

7. Korea becomes more and more mercantile, trading with European and Asian nations, and gains demand of specific products, i.e. sugar and spices.

8. By 1830, Korea is fully in industrial revolution, a powerful nation with mercantile economy. It begins to look at its neighbours for resources.

9. Japanese rebels, supported by Korea, start revolution after Tenpo famine. Although eventually destroyed, revolution cripples Japanese economy and government more anti-foreign.

10. Korea maintains mercantile dominance over China, and feeds off its consumerist demands.

11. Remaining conservative elements after purge, along with Luddite-esque movements, start revolution under Dankunism (prevalent religion, other than Catholicism, during the time). After quickly stopping revolt, government adopts Dankunism as official religion.

12. With start of first Opium war, Korea declares independence and attacks Manchuria. However, due to large Qing army troops Korea suffers pyrrhic victory and only gains part of Liaodong peninsula.

13. Spurred by Korea's development and their own hard-liner government, liberal Hakka merchants support Hong Xiquan's Taiping rebellion and establish first Hakka-majority government. Korea supports rebellion.

14. As Taiping Republic grows, Europe focuses more on the republic than Qing for merchant activities. Qing and Taipings later find de facto peace agreement.

15. Korea declares Korean Empire, second attack against Qing with Britain-France-US-Russia help. two-pronged attack from Liaodong and Shandong successfully takes over both Beijing and Manchuria. Declaration of Ko(塙) dynasty over China.

16. Japanese mistreatment of foreigners prompt military action, Shogun forced by Eight-Nation Alliance to give all daimyos de facto total autonomy, Japan carved up into spheres of influence.

17. 1888. Korea dominates Asia, northern China is slowly assimilated into Korea culturally, colonies in Southeast Asia, the Pacific and Africa, contesting industrial capacity with United States.
Roman Empire reunited in 814

- Charlemagne and Empress Irene get married
- Louis the Pious inherits both Roman Empires in 814 and reunites them
- Christian Church is not divided
- The reunified Empire fights the Arabs and expells them from the Mediterranean, in an earlier and harsher Crusade
- The Normans ally with the Empire and after the Norman invasion of Britain, it is reincorporated into the Empire

In brainstorming stage.
Nikita I the Great - Russian Meiji 50+ years before Peter the Great

PoD: Alexis I of Russia gets maimed by bear during the hunt soon after crowning (he WAS an avid fan of bear-hunting and bear-baiting), say in August 1646.
His first cousin once removed, Nikita Romanov, is thus the only remaining Romanov male and gets crowned.
Adam Olearius tells he liked foreign music, dressed himself and even his servants in European clothes, shaved beard
Though I'm not that sure about say Deluge TTL, and thus this TL will remain unwritten for quite a while.
Here's one from me.

Yeah, I know, I've got several projects already, but I'm just one of those people who just can't stop imagining.....:eek::p

Anyway, here's the gist of it: the PoD is in 1818(exactly what, I have no clue, yet).....and results in a U.S. that's rather different than our own by the late 20th Century. Some basic pointers:

1. No Jackson Presidency.....which averts a lot of the tragedies of the 1830s. No Vice-President J.C. Calhoun makes things even better. The *Panic of 1837 does still happen, though, albeit less severe, and it happens later on.

2. Yes, there is a war with Mexico, and yes, they lose, although not by as much as IOTL. Mexico later becomes a notable nation of its own accord

3. The South breaks away.....and actually survives. For a while, anyway.

4. Canada goes the republican route, but later splits apart thanks to separatism.....and no, not of the Francophone kind, either.

5. Japan opens up around the same time as in OTL, and becomes a notable power.....but, thankfully, does NOT go down the Tojoist route.

6. Germany unifies in the 1860s, as opposed to 1871 IOTL.

7. Only one World War happened; but it was one that had been, sadly, deadlier than our own Great War. But the good news? No *Nazis in Germany....or *Mussolini in Italy for that matter. And no Stalin in Russia, either.....though the Russian Empire doesn't survive.

8. American politics ends up being somewhat different than ours. There's no major fear of Communism, for one.....

9. I also have quite a few interesting divergences planned for Western culture, particularly that of the Anglo-American countries.

10. Even the layouts of some U.S. states have been significantly altered.

Speaking of the latter, by the way, I am currently looking for someone to assist me in drawing up a map of the United States in said TL. Further information, including the base I used for said map, is here:

(P.S., yes, I really do need the help, by the way. I'm not at all good at really drawing much other than lines; I certainly couldn't draw the Continental Divide or anything really complex like any and all assistance I can get is very much appreciated. :))
Current TL's:
Filipinas: La Gloriosa y Más Allá
Ilha Formosa: Taiwan before Shimonoseki (on hiatus)

Prospective TL's:
Hibernia: Chronicles of the Stuart Kings of the Emerald Isle (1689-1789)
POD: James II went to Ireland from France and established a rump Stuart monarchy in the capital Dublin, culminating in the victory over the Williamite invaders in the Battle of Boyne.
- Earlier survival of the Irish language, with a regulator patterned on l'Académie Française.
- The profileration of Irish mercenaries, not just for both Spanish and French armies, but even for British military, especially in the middle of 18th century.
- Smaller but constant emigration from Ireland, with New France and Spanish colonies as preferred destinations.
- Small-scale conflict with Britain over legitimacy, although it can be improved in mid-1740s.
- The exodus of most Ulster Scots to either United States or Scotland, especially in southernmost parts. In exchange were the immigration of loyal Gaelic-speaking clans from the Scottish Highlands.
- More economic and landowning power for the Catholics while maintaining an equilibrium when dealing with Episcopalians and Presbyterians of northeast Ulster.

Anak Rum
A proposed spin-off from "An Age of Miracles", it deals with the Rum Peranakans, the descendants of intermarriage between Byzantine/Rhoman colonists and Malay women and their influence in the history of Pahang, and the Malay-speaking world in general.
- Earlier adoption of surnames due to Rum influence.
- Interactions with other Peranakan communities (Baba-Nyonya and Chitty), as well as the general population.
- Churches that looked like traditional Malay homes.
- Their contributions to the Malay culture in general like their variant of keroncong, called keroncong rum.

Dadiangas: The Story of the Kristangs of Southern Mindanao
POD: A large number of Kristangs fled the Dutch annexation of Malacca in the 17th century, settling on the shores of Saranggani Bay.
- Earlier founding, development and expansion of Dadiangas.
- Their creole language as the lingua franca of the region (OTL Socsargen).
- Conflicts with neighboring Mindanao sultanates over territory.
- Their relationship with the Spanish authorities in Manila (first suzerainty, then eventual ammexation as part of Spanish East Indies).
- An insight on their culture and faith.
Note: This prospective scenario could also be linked to "Filipinas: La Gloriosa y Más Allá", with Koronadal as the focus of the story.
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Red Horse

I've got two plans for the Philippines:

Plan A
Where the One Who Reigns is God: Camilo Polavieja, in a surprising move, lowered José Rizal's sentence from death to exile. Unknowingly, this event marked a pivotal point in Philippine history.

Plan B
Struggle, Sacrifice, and Victory: The Novales Mutiny succeeds, triggering Asia's first war of national liberation. Follows the rise, and tribulations, of the Philippine Republic and its effect across Asia-Pacific... and possibly beyond (this is the most likely to be written, I think).

Other ideas:

Bishamonten's Blessing: The story of how Uesugi Kenshin emerged as the paramount victor in the Sengoku Jidai. Also follows the story of the Uesugi Shogunate and how it changed Japan's history forever.
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A Cruel Reverse

Peter III inherits Russia and joins the Prussians

Just a winter chill

Elisabeth of Russia doesn't die for a few more years and the 7 Year's War ends in a Franco-Russian victory.

The Spanish Inheritance

Joseph Ferdinand lives and inherits the entire Spanish Empire. (coming the NG form soon)

David the Great

David I of Scotland doesn't make peace at Durham and instead attacks and beats Stephen of Blois. And steamrolls Northern England

Carlo of Borbon

Charles III never inherits Spain and instead stays in Naples and eventually his smartest son inherits not Charles IV

Wagram: Austria's Greatest Victory

Austrians win at Wagram
Ming America
-No fire in Forbidden City
-Zheng He encouraged to keep discovering
-Relief ships sent to colonies
-Treaty of Sino-Portuguese friendship
-Columbus found guilty of treason
Dual Eagle Invictus.

A timeline based on a challenged of a pruso-russian union who somehow mutated into a moster make balance of power dead as a dodo and make britisha nd austria have a say early in global powers.


I like the earlier listed ideas for Benedict Arnold: victor at Saratoga & Monmouth. He goes down in US history as a hero.

Commodore Dewey works with Aguinaldo following the battle of Manila Bay. The US works with the Filipinos to remove the Spanish and keep the other colonial powers at bay.

The 1898 US Navy raids the Spanish Canary Islands to spur the resolution of the Spanish-American War

Tecumseh leads the Shawnee Confederation to victory against the US

Successful Vinland

Chinese colonies in Western North America starting in the early 1400's

I lack the narrative skill to develop these, so I'd be happy if someone else picked up the ideas and ran with them.

Red Horse

Commodore Dewey works with Aguinaldo following the battle of Manila Bay. The US works with the Filipinos to remove the Spanish and keep the other colonial powers at bay.

Just how plausible is that? It's an interesting POD.

I lack the narrative skill to develop these, so I'd be happy if someone else picked up the ideas and ran with them.

Just write them in layman's terms, and read some thesaurus. It may help.
here's mine, though i'm leaving out my ASB ATL since the POD is VERY complicated (all of these are WIPs):

Anglo-American Rivalry
POD: September 3, 1783 (Treaty of Paris; there's technically no immediate divergence, to justify the smaller but gradually building ripples from there)
-- the United States and United Kingdom never get on friendly terms on a national level, remaining rivals through to the late 20th century at the earliest
-- America allies with Britain's traditional rivals such as France; by TTL's World War I analogy, the United States is part of an Alliance of Nations with France, Russia, and some others as well as rebels in the British Empire against a Five Emperor's League of Britain, Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, and Japan
-- the United States finds allies in numerous smaller countries, including Chile, Oman, and Thailand
-- an eventual space race takes place with Britain in the place of the United States and America in the place of the Soviet Union (America reaches space first, but the British are the first to land on the Moon, etc.)
-- Britain and America join numerous wars against each other out of spite
-- in the event of an Emperors League victory in *WW1, Germany becomes an empire to rival Britain after annexing Belgium and conquering some French territory, and possibly merging with other Germanic states in a massive Greater German Empire led by President Erich Ludendorff
-- communist France
-- no 49th parallel as the US-Canadian border

"Greek Victory at Thermopylae"
POD: the path used to encircle the Greeks is not discovered by Xerxes' forces, allowing them to hold Thermopylae until the main forces of the Spartan army arrive (IOTL, the Spartan contribution was Leonidas, three hundred of his personal bodyguard, and some hundreds/thousands of helots [can't remember the exact number at the moment])
-- Greece is eventually unified and becomes TTL's Rome, with its de facto capital, (on the site of) Byzantium, being eventually sacked by the Huns or Mongols; in the present-day, there's a Greek rump state encircling the Aegean and Black Seas
-- an expy of Alexander eventually conquers everything up to the Indus, while lands east of there remain out of reach
-- Mongolic Persia, Hellenized Egypt,
-- Tartessos (OTL Andalusia) becomes TTL's British Empire
-- numerous countries named after/based on ancient geography
-- a particular carpenter founds a religion combining elements of Judaism and the Mystery cults with Zen/Tao/Buddhism

"Bacon's America" (iirc there was another TL with this name, but this isn't based on that)
POD: Nathaniel Bacon's rebellion succeeds and forms an independent Republic of the Chesapeake comprised mainly of historical Virginia and the Carolinas, setting precedent for other independence movements in the Americas
-- Masonic elements. Masonic elements everywhere.
-- American hereditary dictatorships, though more Caesar than any 20th century dictator
-- Jesuit *Paraguay
-- American provincial/national capitals are castles


I'm brainstorming a timeline where the US constitution is not ratified and the Articles of Confederation fall apart. The goal is to explore a world where North America is balkanized. I feel like this is a concept that has surely been done before; if you can point to similar examples I would appreciate it.

Not really as much as you might think (with an AoC period POD). I started one though. I might even try to continue it if in a different format.
The Unconquered Son (POD 326)
When Constantine's son Crispus is accused of raping his stepmom, he escapes arrest. The resulting civil war between father and son leads to the western Roman Empire being divided between the Franks and Goths.

A Short History of Avaria (POD 609)
Heraclius the Younger dies in a shipwreck. The Byzantine Empire is overthrown by the Persian-Avar alliance in 626. The Avars convert to Zoroastrianism and unite the South Slavic peoples of the Balkans into a single nation which holds off the Magyars and Christian crusaders.

And of course there's The Purple Dream, which has been a dream deferred for three freaking years but which I haven't given up on. My new idea is that when Lincoln dies in Baltimore, Hamlin listens to Seward, abandons Fort Sumter and attacks Cuba to try and entice the Confederates into returning. This fails a lot and Hamlin ends up having to fight the Confederacy and Spain both. Also Building Jerusalem, in which William Blake founds a religion based on the Four Zoas.


Originally Posted by Driftless
Commodore Dewey works with Aguinaldo following the battle of Manila Bay. The US works with the Filipinos to remove the Spanish and keep the other colonial powers at bay.

Just how plausible is that? It's an interesting POD.

Very close run in OTL history. The situation could very easily have spun out along several different paths. The segment below is an extract by a Canadian historian

On April 25, 1898, the United States declared war on Spain and the Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Theodore Roosevelt, ordered Dewey to attack the Spanish fleet in the Philippines. The Battle of Manila Bay was the first hostile engagement of the Spanish-American War. In the darkness before dawn, Commodore Dewey's ships passed under the siege guns on the island of Corregidor at the entrance to Manila Bay and by noon on May 1, 1898 had destroyed the Spanish fleet.

Aguinaldo arrived back in the Philippines on May 19, 1898 and resumed command of his rebel forces. The Filipino rebels routed the demoralized Spanish forces in the provinces and laid siege to Manila. From the balcony of his house in Cavite, Emilio Aguinaldo proclaimed the independence of the Philippines on June 12, 1898.

Whatever understanding Dewey and Aguinaldo may have reached in Hong Kong prior to the war, neither could have appreciated the full extent of the geopolitical forces at play. By late May, the newly appointed Admiral Dewey had received intructions to distance himself from Aguinaldo and his independence cause.

The declared war aim of the United States was Cuban independence from Spain. This was soon accomplished. The American forces landed in Cuba on June 23 and, with the surrender of Santiago on July 16, the Spanish sued for peace through the French ambassador in Washington two days later. Events in the Cuban theatre were concluded in less than a month.

The United States had not expressed an interest in taking over the remnants of Spain's colonial empire. On news of Dewey's victory, warships began arriving in Manila Bay from Britain, France, Japan and Germany. The German fleet of eight warships was especially aggressive and menacing. All of these imperial powers had recently obtained concessions from China for naval bases and designated commercial spheres of interest. American interests had reason to fear that leaving the Philippines to the designs of the imperial powers might exclude the United States from the Asia-Pacific trade altogether.