Ah, how bout this for a compromise:
Trotsky advocates the Soviet Union to take Poland and the Baltics as buffer space against the West. Or to take the Baltics in a preparatory move for an invasion of Poland. Stating that the Red Army is strong enough (on paper) to take these areas and this will put Germany; France, Britain and USA on the back foot.
How does this sound?
Depends. Does the German-Soviet military cooperation proceed as IOTL with German personnel training in the USSR? If so, wouldn't it make more sense to aim to restore 1914 borders in Poland in order to maintain their shared alignment against the Versailles world order, as was seriously considered in the first Polish-Soviet War? At any rate I'm still skeptical that he would not realize that it's a bad idea unless there's a serious distraction like Hitler or Germany to divide the world's attention. I guess you could see him wanting to have Germany and the USSR going at Poland together, to dilute the connotation of Red expansionism with an admixture of German revanchism to draw the lion's share of the world's ire.
If there's no German-Soviet cooperation at all, I don't think Trotsky would be willing to risk diving headlong into Poland alone and getting dogpiled by France, Germany, and Britain.
This is of course just my opinion. It's your choice at the end of the day. This is your TL, not mine.
 
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Depends. Does the German-Soviet military cooperation proceed as IOTL with German personnel training in the USSR? If so, wouldn't it make more sense to aim to restore 1914 borders in Poland in order to maintain their shared alignment against the Versailles world order, as was seriously considered in the first Polish-Soviet War? At any rate I'm still skeptical that he would not realize that it's a bad idea unless there's a serious distraction like Hitler or Germany to divide the world's attention. I guess you could see him wanting to have Germany and the USSR going at Poland together, to dilute the connotation of Red expansionism with an admixture of German revanchism to draw the lion's share of the world's ire.
If there's no German-Soviet cooperation at all, I don't think Trotsky would be willing to risk diving headlong into Poland alone and getting dogpiled by France, Germany, and Britain.
This is of course just my opinion. It's your choice at the end of the day. This is your TL, not mine.
Yes the relationship between Germany and USSR is the same as OTL. Maybe a little frostier here than OTL due to different leadership and Sverdlov’s open support of foreign communist movements.

But I like the idea of him pushing for Poland to be divided, as “punishment” for the Polish-Soviet War and to get some breathing space.

How about he pushes for armed conflict with Poland and more open and military support for communists across the globe.

I really appreciate the feedback and critique. Helps refine the story. I will sleep on it and will edit that part tomorrow.

There will be a Chaos in Styria, Part III but after that we will see a time jump to 1932. The Depression Happens per OTL. And things in Austria don’t much change during that period. In the next chapter post-Part III I will give a summary of what happened and such. That way we can maintain a good pace and not have to go into the minutiae of the Depression. I want to get to Hitler’s Rise to Power Arc.

EDIT: changed Trotsky from wanting to invade all of Europe to anting to invade Poland first.
 
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Donor
All I have to say about the last chapter is: You know a TL's good when you feel sorry for a (fairly) historically accurate Hitler.
 
All I have to say about the last chapter is: You know a TL's good when you feel sorry for a (fairly) historically accurate Hitler.
I tried to make Hitler not some carpet chewing cartoon villain but I’m afraid I’ve made him too sympathetic.

But I appreciate the comment! All I can say is that the full blow murderous monster we know is coming. And we see a lot of things that affect Hitler or that he has affected through his eyes, so that makes him sympathetic.
 
I tried to make Hitler not some carpet chewing cartoon villain but I’m afraid I’ve made him too sympathetic.

But I appreciate the comment! All I can say is that the full blow murderous monster we know is coming. And we see a lot of things that affect Hitler or that he has affected through his eyes, so that makes him sympathetic.
I mean Hitler is the protagonist of this story so….
 
Oh no

Hitlers children's life is gonna suck

there either gonna spend it all feeling guilty or be really messed up people


Love Paul's moment with gaunther.its a remainder that our main characters "victories" and story is causing suffering for
his country and how he's taking advantage of the common man.hes still hitler and everyone would be better off if he died in the hospital.

also I forgot Paul knew hitler .

I wonder if Ursula might be saved if hitler decides to be nice to his former friends like in our timeline
 
Really loving this TL. Why do you guys think will happen to Hitler children in this timeline? What happened to Goring and the ther OTL nazist, for example Goebbels became a comunist? DID the spanish flu get butterflied?
As a romanian what do you guys think will happen to Romania in this tl?
 
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Really loving this TL. Why do you guys think will happen to Hitler children in this timeline? What happened to Goring and the ther OTL nazist, for example Goebbels became a comunist? DID the spanish flu get butterflied?
As a romanian what do you guys think will happen to Romania in this tl?
Spanish Flu happens per OTL. Sverdlov was sick with it and unlike OTL, he survives due to the insistence of his secretary for bed rest. Apparently he literally worked himself to death.

I have a rough idea on the children's' fate, subject to change, but I'm open to thoughts on it. Goring is a member of the DNVP, Goebbels is a major Communist in Berlin though he will soon be Chief Propagandist for the KPD soon.

(looks at Romania and what I have planned) Oh, it'll be fine... just fine.
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Really loving this TL. Why do you guys think will happen to Hitler children in this timeline? What happened to Goring and the ther OTL nazist, for example Goebbels became a comunist? DID the spanish flu get butterflied?
As a romanian what do you guys think will happen to Romania in this tl?
My best guesses are that Goring in this timeline joins the DNVP and leans more into his Monarchist views given his hatred for Republicans OTL.

Damn, Tanner responded just as I was typing all this haha


With Romania, I imagine that the Iron guards still take power but unlike original timeline hold onto power for two reasons.

1. Hitler and his SozNats are gonna have bone to pick with Romania given that they joined the Allies after staying neutral for 2 years, and I can imagine the iron guard are able to mobilize the population against a revanchist Austria & Hungry.

2. Mussolini still did his march on Rome and took power ITTL but now has to deal with an Austria that is hostile to him and his aims for the Balkans, while Romania has no real territorial claims outside stuff owned by the USSR, so I could imagine their being an alliance between Codreanu and Mussolini in the same way there was an alliance between Hitler and Mussolini OTL.
 
With Romania, I imagine that the Iron guards still take power but unlike original timeline hold onto power for two reasons.
Mussolini still did his march on Rome and took power ITTL but now has to deal with an Austria that is hostile to him and his aims for the Balkans, while Romania has no real territorial claims outside stuff owned by the USSR, so I could imagine their being an alliance between Codreanu and Mussolini in the same way there was an alliance between Hitler and Mussolini OTL.
Why will Iron guards rise ITTL? The sequence of events that led to them seizing power may not arise. If the Soviets don't take Moldova then Romania practically has no claims except for some who may desire more of Banat. I don't think that it will be a natural alliance.
Hitler and his SozNats are gonna have bone to pick with Romania given that they joined the Allies after staying neutral for 2 years, and I can imagine the iron guard are able to mobilize the population against a revanchist Austria & Hungry.
Why are you so sure that the Hungarians are going to calculate so easily and more importantly collaborate? Why do they rank highly in Hitler's esteem that they will be seen as partners? If they act so revanchist then Czechoslovakia may be a better target than Romania for this Hitler. The Czechoslovaks are very much capable of knocking down the Austro-Hungarian of they are determined to do so
 
My best guesses are that Goring in this timeline joins the DNVP and leans more into his Monarchist views given his hatred for Republicans OTL.

Damn, Tanner responded just as I was typing all this haha


With Romania, I imagine that the Iron guards still take power but unlike original timeline hold onto power for two reasons.

1. Hitler and his SozNats are gonna have bone to pick with Romania given that they joined the Allies after staying neutral for 2 years, and I can imagine the iron guard are able to mobilize the population against a revanchist Austria & Hungry.

2. Mussolini still did his march on Rome and took power ITTL but now has to deal with an Austria that is hostile to him and his aims for the Balkans, while Romania has no real territorial claims outside stuff owned by the USSR, so I could imagine their being an alliance between Codreanu and Mussolini in the same way there was an alliance between Hitler and Mussolini OTL.
Austria and Italy are two of the four/five main Axis members ITTL. Their relations start to warm a few years after Hitler takes power. The Iron Guard will come to power in a coalition government. As of now Antonescu still becomes Prime Minister but that could be subject to change.
Why will Iron guards rise ITTL? The sequence of events that led to them seizing power may not arise. If the Soviets don't take Moldova then Romania practically has no claims except for some who may desire more of Banat. I don't think that it will be a natural alliance.
Why are you so sure that the Hungarians are going to calculate so easily and more importantly collaborate? Why do they rank highly in Hitler's esteem that they will be seen as partners? If they act so revanchist then Czechoslovakia may be a better target than Romania for this Hitler. The Czechoslovaks are very much capable of knocking down the Austro-Hungarian of they are determined to do so
The Sozinats will organize much of Southern and Eastern Europe into the Axis against the Soviets. Czechoslovakia will be an inevitable target of a resurgent Austria, as will Hungary. But targets are not always conquered via war. That’s all I’ll say for now on that.
 
The Sozinats will organize much of Southern and Eastern Europe into the Axis against the Soviets. Czechoslovakia will be an inevitable target of a resurgent Austria, as will Hungary. But targets are not always conquered via war. That’s all I’ll say for now on that.
Funny, I was typing up some speculation a couple days back but decided against it XD

Well here it is I guess.
Czechoslovakia's strongest potential enemy with irredentist claims is Germany. So... Perhaps Germany makes some moves toward reclaiming the Sudetenland (but the leader of Germany would probably not be as willing to risk war as Hitler was IOTL, so I guess it might be be empty bluffs in the hopes of getting appeasement), and in rolls Hitler to save the day, backed by the French who don't want Germany to get any ideas.

So Germany backs down, but the Sozinats stay in Czechoslovakia and in one way or another make sure the regime in Prague stays loyal.

Perhaps a while afterwards Hitler, fresh from the conquest of Yugoslavia, "convinces" the Czechoslovakian government to deport the Sudeten Germans and allow him to resettle them in the new Lebensraum of occupied Yugoslavia (IOTL a similar deal was made between the USSR and Nazi Germany where ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union were forcibly transferred to the Reich to be resettled in occupied Poland), thereby killing two birds (the limited ethnic German population in the Sozinat empire and the threat of another Sudetenland crisis) in one stone.
 
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I have a question:what is the difference between Stalin and Sverdlov in their way of ruling URSS?
Sverdlov seemed to have kept NEP longer than Stalin, so there’s that. Which actually raises the question why the Soviet people are going to sleep on an empty stomach if they still have NEP, since that allowed them, along with breaking up the landed estates, allowed agricultural production to increased greatly.
 
Funny, I was typing up some speculation a couple days back but decided against it XD

Well here it is I guess.
Czechoslovakia's strongest potential enemy with irredentist claims is Germany. So... Perhaps Germany makes some moves toward reclaiming the Sudetenland (but the leader of Germany would probably not be as willing to risk war as Hitler was IOTL, so I guess it might be be empty bluffs in the hopes of getting appeasement), and in rolls Hitler to save the day, backed by the French who don't want Germany to get any ideas.

So Germany and Poland back down, but the Sozinats stay in Czechoslovakia and in one way or another make sure the regime in Prague stays loyal.

Perhaps a while afterwards Hitler, fresh from the conquest of Yugoslavia, "convinces" the Czechoslovakian government to deport the Sudeten Germans and allow him to resettle them in the new Lebensraum of occupied Yugoslavia (IOTL a similar deal was made between the USSR and Nazi Germany where ethnic Germans in the Soviet Union were forcibly transferred to the Reich to be resettled in occupied Poland), thereby killing two birds (the limited ethnic German population in the Sozinat empire and the threat of another Sudetenland crisis) in one stone.
Austria will be doing its best to take control (either directly or indirectly) of Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Hungary has the farmland, Czechoslovakia the industry. If the Austrian State is to succeed (in Sozinat terms) then these two countries have to be under sone form of Austrian influence.
I have a question:what is the difference between Stalin and Sverdlov in their way of ruling URSS?
I would say Sverdlov is more hands off and is not as powerful as Stalin was, but after the First and Second Great Purge this will change as Sverdlov removes enemies, both real and imagined throughout the 1930s. I do envision the USSR surviving longer here ITTL. My head canon is that its economic decline is slower and finally breaks apart in 2005 in the Der Kampf-Verse.

Fun fact, Der Kampf was the name of a Social Democrat publication by Karl Renner, the first Chancellor of the Austrian Republic. Ironic.

Now here’s something absolutely no one asked for-
U.S. Presidents (subject to change):
—Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) (1933-1945)
—Harry Truman (D) (1945-1949)
—Chester Nimitz (R) (1949-1953)
—Omar Bradley (R) (1953-1961)
—Lyndon B. Johnson (D) (1961-1967)
—Joseph Kennedy Jr. (D) (1967-1969)
—Nelson Rockefeller (R) (1969-1977)
—Ronald Reagan (D) (1977-1985)
—George HW Bush (R) (1985-1993)
—Al Gore (D) (1993-1997)
—John McCain (R) (1997-2005)
—Joe Biden (D) (2005-2013)
—Barack Obama (D) (2013-2021)
If anyone has questions about this list please let me know. As you can see, Jimmy Carter is never president (sorry Vidal!) but he is the first Secretary of Energy. No George W. Bush and no Bill Clinton.

There is a Great Recession but happens in 2004 rather than 2008/2009, leading to Biden beating Huckabee in 2004. John Edwards is Biden’s VP but is forced to resign after his affair is made known, leading to Obama as VP from 2009-2013.

Probably the craziest thing on the list is a Democratic Reagan. Reagan does do a massive Tax Cut, but while it lowers the top rate from 70% to 50%, it also closed lots of loopholes, actually bringing in more federal revenue. Also no Iran-Contra affair, no ‘Just Say No’ Drug policy, perhaps no Nancy Reagan either, instead either first wife is still around or he remarried someone else. Support and research for the HIV/AIDS virus in the 1980s, leading to breakthroughs in medicine to treat and contain it years earlier than OTL.

No JFK, as Joseph Jr. doesn’t die in WW2. JFK and RFK and Ted Kennedy will be in Congress but no Presidential spot. Ted could possibly be Secretary of HEW in Reagan’s Cabinet.

No Nixon, no Watergate, Rockefeller’s VP is Gerald Ford, Eisenhower is a Democrat here while Bradley runs for office and wins as a Republican.

I’m thinking of doing a timeline after Der Kampf where it is the Cold War and beyond. But that’s years away.
 
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Sverdlov seemed to have kept NEP longer than Stalin, so there’s that. Which actually raises the question why the Soviet people are going to sleep on an empty stomach if they still have NEP, since that allowed them, along with breaking up the landed estates, allowed agricultural production to increased greatly.
Sverdlov is currently transitioning away from the NEP to a more heavy industry focus but it isn’t a crash course like Stalin. I will edit the post to say some still worked on empty stomachs though many did not any longer.

I edited it to say over a million instead of many. So some are still on the cusp of starvation but most Soviets are doing better than OTL.
 
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Austria will be doing its best to take control (either directly or indirectly) of Czechoslovakia and Hungary. Hungary has the farmland, Czechoslovakia the industry. If the Austrian State is to succeed (in Sozinat terms) then these two countries have to be under sone form of Austrian influence.

I would say Sverdlov is more hands off and is not as powerful as Stalin was, but after the First and Second Great Purge this will change as Sverdlov removes enemies, both real and imagined throughout the 1930s. I do envision the USSR surviving longer here ITTL. My head canon is that its economic decline is slower and finally breaks apart in 2005 in the Der Kampf-Verse.

Fun fact, Der Kampf was the name of a Social Democrat publication by Karl Renner, the first Chancellor of the Austrian Republic. Ironic.

Now here’s something absolutely no one asked for-
U.S. Presidents (subject to change):
—Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) (1933-1945)
—Harry Truman (D) (1945-1949)
—Omar Bradley (R) (1949-1957)
—Dwight D. Eisenhower (D) (1957-1961)
—Lyndon B. Johnson (D) (1961-1967)
—Joseph Kennedy Jr. (D) (1967-1969)
—Nelson Rockefeller (R) (1969-1977)
—Ronald Reagan (D) (1977-1985)
—George HW Bush (R) (1985-1993)
—Al Gore (D) (1993-1997)
—John McCain (R) (1997-2005)
—Joe Biden (D) (2005-2013)
—Barack Obama (2013-2021)
If anyone has questions about this list please let me know. As you can see, Jimmy Carter is never president (sorry Vidal!) but he is the first Secretary of Energy. No George W. Bush and no Bill Clinton.

There is a Great Recession but happens in 2004 rather than 2008/2009, leading to Biden beating Huckabee in 2004. John Edwards is Biden’s VP but is forced to resign after his affair is made known, leading to Obama as VP from 2009-2013.

Probably the craziest thing on the list is a Democratic Reagan. Reagan does do a massive Tax Cut, but while it lowers the top rate from 70% to 50%, it also closed lots of loopholes, actually bringing in more federal revenue. Also no Iran-Contra affair, no ‘Just Say No’ Drug policy, perhaps no Nancy Reagan either, instead either first wife is still around or he remarried someone else. Support and research for the HIV/AIDS virus in the 1980s, leading to breakthroughs in medicine to treat and contain it years earlier than OTL.

No JFK, as Joseph Jr. doesn’t die in WW2. JFK and RFK and Ted Kennedy will be in Congress but no Presidential spot. Ted could possibly be Secretary of HEW in Reagan’s Cabinet.

No Nixon, no Watergate, Rockefeller’s VP is Gerald Ford, Eisenhower is a Democrat here while Bradley runs for office and wins as a Republican.

I’m thinking of doing a timeline after Der Kampf where it is the Cold War and beyond. But that’s years away.
I would read that cold war TL
 
Now here’s something absolutely no one asked for-
U.S. Presidents (subject to change):
—Franklin D. Roosevelt (D) (1933-1945)
—Harry Truman (D) (1945-1949)
—Omar Bradley (R) (1949-1957)
—Dwight D. Eisenhower (D) (1957-1961)
—Lyndon B. Johnson (D) (1961-1967)
—Joseph Kennedy Jr. (D) (1967-1969)
—Nelson Rockefeller (R) (1969-1977)
—Ronald Reagan (D) (1977-1985)
—George HW Bush (R) (1985-1993)
—Al Gore (D) (1993-1997)
—John McCain (R) (1997-2005)
—Joe Biden (D) (2005-2013)
—Barack Obama (2013-2021)
looking at some of your party choices I'm guessing the Republic Democrat spectrum shift of the 60's doesn;t happen or happens later

Really enjoying the TL
 
So the American presidents lists tells us a lot

although I'm surprised given it's been stated Japan will be the "Number 1 public enemy " for the US and UK that no admiral is on the list.I mean I know the army fought the Japanese too but still.I guess Bradley and Eisenhower could take MacArthurs place in the pacfic or maybe who's ever in charge in the Pacific sucks politically but still
 
I would read that cold war TL
Thank you. It would read more like it was from a history textbook with PoV excerpts rather than this story based format. At least as of now.
looking at some of your party choices I'm guessing the Republic Democrat spectrum shift of the 60's doesn;t happen or happens later

Really enjoying the TL
The Democratic Party sticks with New Deal ideals for longer and really straddles the line between center and center-left. I’m kind of striking out Clinton Neoliberalism, though I can imagine Neoliberalism as a whole is done with Reagan. Civil Rights and all that goes largely according to OTL but once Johnson is assassinated by a white supremacist a few months after signing the Civil Rights Bill, Joseph Jr. takes over.
The GOP stays a more moderate course, with Bradley, Rockefeller and Bush being the faves of the modern GOP rather than Reagan. While they do tax cuts and small government, tax cuts are far more moderate and targeted than OTL’s Reagan, Bush and Trump tax cuts. The U.S. does not have a $31.4 trillion deficit by 2023, and in fact is a major lender and not the lead borrower. Biden will probably have a public option up and running by 2006/2007.
Social Security is never close to insolvency, and the government budget has a roughly equal number of deficit and surplus years.
So the American presidents lists tells us a lot

although I'm surprised given it's been stated Japan will be the "Number 1 public enemy " for the US and UK that no admiral is on the list.I mean I know the army fought the Japanese too but still.I guess Bradley and Eisenhower could take MacArthurs place in the pacfic or maybe who's ever in charge in the Pacific sucks politically but still
That is an excellent point I hadn’t even considered. Nimitz or Halsey would be ideal due to name recognition and command experience. I’ll probably have to remove either Eisenhower or Bradley and replace one with Nimitz or Halsey.

I put Nimitz from 1949-1953 (retired due to age) and Bradley is 1953-1961
 
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