Denmark and Norway in a Axis victory world

Well IIRC Denmark was basically a self-governing vassal during the war, so in a sense there would be no change. Under whatever alliance system Nazi Germany brings in, Denmark's foreign policy is going to be controlled from Berlin

Quisling's administration would probably bed down over time, and Norway would probably join the Axis in a like manner to Slovakia or Croatia

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Grey Wolf
 
You often see ideas that Hitler would form Scandinavian Federations in AHs. Is this writer's fiat, or would there be any historical basis for such claims?
 
You often see ideas that Hitler would form Scandinavian Federations in AHs. Is this writer's fiat, or would there be any historical basis for such claims?

A scandinavian federation... wouldn´t that make them stronger.


I think they actually might annex Denmark completely. (Who´s going to stop them?) And then Norway would be in a Croatian relationship.

The really interesting question to me is what happens to Sweden and Finland?
 
A scandinavian federation... wouldn´t that make them stronger.


I think they actually might annex Denmark completely. (Who´s going to stop them?) And then Norway would be in a Croatian relationship.

The really interesting question to me is what happens to Sweden and Finland?

Why does anything need to happen to them ? The Greater German Reich doesn't NEED to be any bigger, heck if they've won its got gigantic RK's in the East to absorb... What it needs now is to make the Axis a political and economic federation, and since in countries like Hungary and Romania it already is this, then extending it to cover Denmark, Norway etc is inevitable, whilst fuller membership for Finland, and getting Sweden into it is all that would be required.

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Grey Wolf
 
I agree with GW about Denmark. It is fine as it is.

Given time, Norway will settle down. Without the war, and British support for the government in exile and royal family (i assume that 'axis victory' would lead to them leaving Britain), Quisling will end up a junior partner of the axis, and in control of a fairly stable country
 
I always wondered if Hitler wouldn't try to bring them into the fold, try and Germanize them, since they were already Germanic, with a cognate language.
 
I always wondered if Hitler wouldn't try to bring them into the fold, try and Germanize them, since they were already Germanic, with a cognate language.

I see this a long term goal, but in the short term, there are more important things to sort. For instance, the Greater German Reich will likely develop horrific indigetion, having swallowed huge swathes of territory in the East. Because of this, i reackon Scandinavia will be left on the back burner -after all, they have all the time in the world.
 
What would happen to Denmark and Norway if Germany won WWII?

Denmark would almost certainly be annexed by Germany de facto, if not completely de jure; I can see Norway eventually - possibly - being given a slightly more longer leash.

Make no mistake, though, Hitler certainly wanted to have such a dominance over both countries that whatever basis on which they are run would be of a technically different nature - if at all - rather than a substantive change from occupation. We are not talking some 'soft', happy, collegiate Fascist version of the EU here; we are talking about Imperial exploitation and dominance over a set of recognisably subservient satrapies.

The same applies, incidentally, for Belgium and the Netherlands. Hitler's mindset and small countries did not go well together. You were either a huge country with a massive population base or you were nothing.
 
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I always wondered if Hitler wouldn't try to bring them into the fold, try and Germanize them, since they were already Germanic, with a cognate language.

This was Hitler's basic approach. But whereas 'Germanisation' in the East was to be murderous and centred around actually physically eradicating the subject peoples concerned, in Norway and the West it was intended to be of a 'cultural' nature - I.E, by obliterating the national identities of the people concerned. Norwegians and Belgians would be 'Germanised' - or, rather, by Nazi doctrine, re-Germanised - through 're-education'; I.E, indoctrination.
 
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HueyLong

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A continuation of lebensborn programs there (basically, stealing good Nordic children for SS-men to start a family) and attempts to move them out East as settlers.
 

Redbeard

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Hitler kept a remarkable distance to German minority demands of "taking back" North Slesvig to Germany and never let the Danish Nazi Party gain any serious influence.

That of course wasn't due to our blue eyes, but because that was considered the best way to keep Denmark delivering all the agricultural stuff needed to feed Germany. Not even after the co-operation government collapsed in 1943 and the Germans took over entirely, was any degree of annexation seriously discussed.

In that context I would rather guess for going back to a status like before 1943 - i.e. as "Hitler's canary" - with own government, regular feeding and maintenance - but in a cage.

Norway would eventually end up in a similar situation, although the enforced position of Quisling and his nazis as government holders made a consensus solution more difficult. Sweden in first part of OTL WWII in effect was a German vassal, allowing German troops passage through Sweden on their way to killing Norwegians, and sans the German defeats of OTL I guess Sweden and Denmark would quite soon end up in very similar situations.

I very much doubt if Hitler would create any Scandinavian or Nordic union - much better keep them separated - divide and conquer!

I could very well imagine that after all realistic hope of an allied victory has passed away most Scandinavians would settle with the new situation, and get the best out of it - incl. opportunities for settling as part of the "Herrenvolk" in the East. In OTL German appeals for volunteers for "East Front duty only" had greater recruitment success than the resistance ever had (apart from the last few weeks before the German surrender).

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Steffen Redbeard
 
Let's not forget the weird affinity that some of the Nazi hierarchy had with the ancient Norse religion. At least one of them (Goebbels IIRC) was laying the ground work of starting a new race based religion that owed quite a bit to the Norse legends. In one of those weird mirror images that history sometimes throws up I could see the Nazis having the same attraction for Norway as the Jews had for Palestine - though obviously its origins and intent would be somewhat different. Because of this I think Norway might be annexed out right.

So the Nazis, like Monty Python's parrot, would be pining for the fjords…
 
Let's not forget the weird affinity that some of the Nazi hierarchy had with the ancient Norse religion. At least one of them (Goebbels IIRC) was laying the ground work of starting a new race based religion that owed quite a bit to the Norse legends. In one of those weird mirror images that history sometimes throws up I could see the Nazis having the same attraction for Norway as the Jews had for Palestine - though obviously its origins and intent would be somewhat different. Because of this I think Norway might be annexed out right.

So the Nazis, like Monty Python's parrot, would be pining for the fjords…

Himmler, IIRC.
 

Redbeard

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So the Nazis, like Monty Python's parrot, would be pining for the fjords…

Berlin May 1945, just outside Hitler's bunker:

Russian soldier 1, looking at Hitler's corpse: "That nazi looks dead!"

Russian soldier 2 , looking at Hitler's corpse: "No, he is just pining for the fjords!"

Sorry, couldn't resist :D

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Steffen Redbeard
 
Denmark would almost certainly be annexed by Germany de facto, if not completely de jure; I can see Norway eventually - possibly - being given a slightly more longer leash.

Make no mistake, though, Hitler certainly wanted to have such a dominance over both countries that whatever basis on which they are run would be of a technically different nature - if at all - rather than a substantive change from occupation. We are not talking some 'soft', happy, collegiate Fascist version of the EU here; we are talking about Imperial exploitation and dominance over a set of recognisably subservient satrapies.

The same applies, incidentally, for Belgium and the Netherlands. Hitler's mindset and small countries did not go well together. You were either a huge country with a massive population base or you were nothing.

Meh. Hitler would treat them pretty much as he did Denmark... as long as there wasn't trouble, in which case he'd fast lose his patience. The local governments would understand this, and be generally co-operative. We Scandinavians (well, at least we Swedes;)) are good at that. So, I'd figure we basically get left alone. Learn German instead of English in school, have a government that's a bit more Socialist than IOTL and rather more Nationalist (does Palme still become PM?). But if someone's stupid enough to make major trouble, we're in the same sit as the French or Norwegians...
 
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