Demographics of Latvia and Estonia in 2017 in the event of a German WWI victory?

Perhaps you're right; however, what about the settlement of Russians in, say, the Caucasus? Would that be a good analogy for this?

Which settlement? The 19th century settlement of the plains was enabled by the ethnic cleansing of the local tribes, Circassians and others, while the 20th century settlement was more urban-centered.

Yes, but one could likewise argue the reverse: Specifically that the high standard of living in these territories would encourage more, rather than less, Germans to settle there--specifically in urban and suburban areas there.

Why, if they're Czech urban and suburban areas where German is at best a minority language and at worst unpopular?

Let's say that Czechia is a German protectorate in this TL with the hope of eventually outright annexing Czechia into the German Reich.

How would this Germany react to Czech nationalist opposition?
 

CaliGuy

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Which settlement? The 19th century settlement of the plains was enabled by the ethnic cleansing of the local tribes, Circassians and others, while the 20th century settlement was more urban-centered.

The 20th century one, of course.

Why, if they're Czech urban and suburban areas where German is at best a minority language and at worst unpopular?

Because the German government would encourage it?

How would this Germany react to Czech nationalist opposition?

By jailing Czech nationalists, presumably.
 
In a situation where in the CP win but AH still Crashes and Burns I think one of the most likely outcomes is Bohemia-Moravia and Austria joining the reich as two separate Kingdoms (as a single unit they may be perceived as a challenge to Prussian dominance) so I feel the level of Germanisation will likely remain more or less the same.
The Czechs may come to see themselves in a similar way to how the Masurians did.
 

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Well, a victorious Kaiserreich would be a junker state led by Hindenburg, radicalized by shooting strikers and fighting the Bolsheviks, so...

Yeah, because the Germans have always been Nazis in the end, haven't they?
 

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Because it has a lot of industry but Germany doesn't want to outright annex it yet due to its low percentage of Germans.

Not worth the hassle to a victorious Kaierreich. It had some industry during WWI but not that much by general European standards, A-H was very much playing catch-up in those regards. It's full of Czechs - remember this is a Prussian-led Empire that didn't want Austrians because they were Catholics - what the hell do they want with a load of Slavs? They've got enough gyp with the Poles and all the Balts that the United Baltic Duchy is going to be bringing in, why drag in another educated, ethnically unified diverse, population group to cause problems? This is the 2nd Reich, not the 3rd - they'll be able to develop their own industry without the shackles of Versailles or limitations of paying reparations - they don't need what Czechia is selling.

Much better to surround it with German territory and make it 'friendly' as opposed to dragging it into the Empire to enjoy the challenges faced by the Hapsburgs.
 
Yeah, because the Germans have always been Nazis in the end, haven't they?

No, it's got a lot of great liberals. But if they're in charge you don't get Germans moving to run crappy farms in Latvia.

I mean, how does Ludendorff lose power in 1918?
 

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No, it's got a lot of great liberals. But if they're in charge you don't get Germans moving to run crappy farms in Latvia.

I mean, how does Ludendorff lose power in 1918?

The Kaiser removes him.
 

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Why would the Kaiser do this? They got along great in OTL...

Edit: In fact, by 1917/1918, the Kaiser was falling into anti-Semitic fantasies of his own.

1. They're winning the war so it's unlikely a military dictatorship (if it was ever that) would be needed.
2. They've won the War so I imagine at least some of the "great liberals" you mentioned would be a bit bothered by the fact the Reichstag isn't running the show
3. They need to normalise relations with the rest of the world to maintain the peace
4. What the hell does anti-semitism have to do with anything?
5. In reference to my 1 and 2 and to your earlier post, where do these bolsheviks that they're shooting come from? They're winning and have won in this TL so why the uprising against the Kaiser?

This is an alternate timeline where the Kaiserreich wins the War. It's unlikely the worst parts of OTL Germany manifest themselves here.
 
When does Germany win the war so thoroughly that it seizes Courland and the Baltic states? 1917? 1918? By that point, the Silent Dictatorship is in power.
 
There's little reason to expect Ludendorff to retain power post-war. Among other things the government has to follow through on its promises to expand franchise and abolish the class tiers in Prussia or risk revolution. A late victory leaves the status quo in tatters.
 

trajen777

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A key issue in this how this affects the German Dispora... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_diaspora ...for example 46,882,727 (2012) (almost all German Americans come from Germany)[ .........To Brazil 12,000,000 .... for example... So with the German crown supporting these individuals how many of them would stay in the new Germany. Many of these people were poorer - for example my family came from Heidelberg and were funded by local business and gov to start a new life. I think a hi % of these people would displace the locals in the new territories making the Germanization of these areas pretty rapidly.
 
And, how does that not cause a crisis in Germany, which is basically starving by this point, and exhausted?

"Good news, we have a protracted guerilla war in Russia!"
 

CaliGuy

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And, how does that not cause a crisis in Germany, which is basically starving by this point, and exhausted?

"Good news, we have a protracted guerilla war in Russia!"
Two things:

1. Britain should already end its blockade of Germany by this point in time.
2. The goal would actually be quite simple--just capture and kill all of the major Bolsheviks, declare victory, and then go home and allow the White forces to fight it out among themselves.
 

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Would Britain still be (or ever) blockading Germany in this TL?

Having everything the same other than German victory kind of precludes German victory, doesn't it? Something must be different in this TL for the Germans to be victorious, other than a miraculous "Michael Victory".
 
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