From the rest of Germany, no?
If the Czech lands are at all politically autonomous, it's difficult for me to imagine how this Germanization would work.
From the rest of Germany, no?
Who exactly said anything about political autonomy here, though?If the Czech lands are at all politically autonomous, it's difficult for me to imagine how this Germanization would work.
HistoryWho exactly said anything about political autonomy here, though?
Who exactly said anything about political autonomy here, though?
...that Czechia would have been more Germanizable had Austria-Hungary still imploded after the end of WWI after a long war and a Central Powers victory and had Germany annexed both German Austria and the Sudetenland afterwards?
I meant something more along the lines of Czechia being under German occupation but not annexed to Germany (yet, at least), though.You did.
If there's no A-H and Germany has taken Austria and the Sudetenland, then Czechia must be independent and autonomous. People were replying to your original comment.
I meant something more along the lines of Czechia being under German occupation but not annexed to Germany (yet, at least), though.
Then the comments on Germanisation make more sense. It's possible, in a world where the CP has won, but in that world I don't see A-H collapsing (or staying collapsed) to be honest. If the situation is so bad that Austria is now part of Germany (by extension the Hapsburgs have either gone or are downgraded to Kings) then why would Czechia be annexed or occupied? It would be adding a large, well educated, ethnically solid, religiously unified minority to the German Empire - look how that's turned out for the Austrians.
They would do it because the Czechs have a lot of industry; indeed, they could try getting a lot of ethnic Germans to settle there before they actually annex it.Then the comments on Germanisation make more sense. It's possible, in a world where the CP has won, but in that world I don't see A-H collapsing (or staying collapsed) to be honest. If the situation is so bad that Austria is now part of Germany (by extension the Hapsburgs have either gone or are downgraded to Kings) then why would Czechia be annexed or occupied? It would be adding a large, well educated, ethnically solid, religiously unified minority to the German Empire - look how that's turned out for the Austrians.
They would do it because the Czechs have a lot of industry; indeed, they could try getting a lot of ethnic Germans to settle there before they actually annex it.
Well, I was thinking of the Germans allowing the Czechs to keep their language, et cetera, but simply settling a lot of Germans there.Would this strategy be likely to work? Would contemporaries think it likely to work? Germanization had not produced significant positive results in Prussian Poland, frex.
This could happen, but it would require a lot of political repression.
Well, I was thinking of the Germans allowing the Czechs to keep their language, et cetera, but simply settling a lot of Germans there.
Also, wasn't Czechia much more industrialized than Posen was?
Thanks for this information!Would Germans necessarily come in large numbers to Czechia? My understanding is that, although Bohemia-Moravia was quite industrialized, right to the end of the First World War it was a net exporter of labour. Czech immigrants formed a large and growing proportion of Vienna's population, for instance, and in Saxony there were some nationalists upset at Czech labour migrants. Relatively prosperous compared to its eastern neighbours though it might be, the Czech lands seem to have been at least not attractive enough to avoid significant Czech out-migration. Whether such a labour market could attract migrants from a richer country is open to question.
Thanks for this information!
However, what about if Germany's government will heavily invest in Czechia for a couple of decades or so? After all, I would think that Czech standards of living would eventually equal German ones and that eventual suburbanization should eventually bring many Germans from Saxony, Silesia, Bavaria, and Austria/Vienna into Czechia.
Maybe? But the reverse would be true, too. The Czech presence in the Sudetenland had been growing, frex.
I suspect that the existence of Czechs as a distinctive ethnicity with its own language would work to discourage migration to the Czech lands. Prague might be between Dresden and Vienna, but the city and its people and its hinterland are not Germans. Similar factors may discourage immigration from elsewhere in Canada to Québec, for instance, notwithstanding broadly comparable living standards.
It was growing in the pre-WWI era? If so, how much?
Isn't Quebec very autonomous within Canada, though? If so, wouldn't, say, Xinjiang be a better comparison for this?
Would this strategy be likely to work? Would contemporaries think it likely to work? Germanization had not produced significant positive results in Prussian Poland, frex.
This could happen, but it would require a lot of political repression.
Would Germans necessarily come in large numbers to Czechia? My understanding is that, although Bohemia-Moravia was quite industrialized, right to the end of the First World War it was a net exporter of labour. Czech immigrants formed a large and growing proportion of Vienna's population, for instance, and in Saxony there were some nationalists upset at Czech labour migrants. Relatively prosperous compared to its eastern neighbours though it might be, the Czech lands seem to have been at least not attractive enough to avoid significant Czech out-migration. Whether such a labour market could attract migrants from a richer country is open to question.
Germany was an exporter of labor too, right? When did German migration to the USA cease?
I don't have numbers. I just have anecdotes of Sudeten Germans being disturbed by the growing presence of Czechs who were insisting on being Czechs.
In Xinjiang, though, there are economic resources--natural resources, manufacturing, et cetera--where Chinese migrants are useful. A perhaps better comparison might be with Tibet, where migration by Chinese has been limited and is often temporary.
The Czech lands are much like the Baltics in that their level of development, economic and social and otherwise, is not much below the level of Germany. There do not strike me as likely to be that many niches for German immigrants.
We're speculating wildly about what will happen when we've no idea what political arrangement there will be, I admit.
Let's say that Czechia is a German protectorate in this TL with the hope of eventually outright annexing Czechia into the German Reich.Germany can still be a source of migrants even while it's also a destination. China right now, for instance, is just entering that stage now, Chinese leaving and people from around the world coming in.
The big German migration had ended by the beginning of the 20th century.
In a setting where German overseas migration is no longer possible ... But we need to know the details.