Demographics of a surviving Austria-Hungary (again)

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Quite some time passed since I posted this thread:

Demographics of a surviving Austria-Hungary?

WW1 still happens somewhat similar to OTL, but without diving too much into details, Austria-Hungary remains completely intact following the war. Based on hindsight and on pre-war trends, how could the demographics of Austria-Hungary look like by the early 21th century? How big could the...

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Since then, I kept revisiting the topic starting from scratch every time. At this point, I finally reached a point where I'm more or less satisfied with what I put together, but I'm curious about the opinion of others.

So here are the population figures I worked out:

Country	1910	2019	OTL growth	2019 Alt	ALT growth
Habsburg Monarchy	51 356 465	68 826 624	1,34	105 322 894	2,05

Without the post-WW1 destructive events of OTL, I predict a more dynamic and higher overall growth for this alt Habsburg Monarchy compared to OTL. A x2,05 total growth from 1910 to 2019 might seem a tad bit high at first glance, especially since OTL's growth was abysmal compared to that, but I didn't just pick a number randomly. I based my numbers on the growths of both Italy and Spain. Two Catholic countries which had comparable GDP per capita to Austria-Hungary in the early '10s. Italy's population growth was about x1,71, while Spain's x2,37 within this timeframe IOTL. With the OTL experiences of these countries' and Austria-Hungary's different geographic features taken into account, I concluded x2,05 to be a reasonable number to go with.

Now, how would this number be divided between the two halves of the empire?

Spoiler: Population growth of the two halves

Halves	1910	2019	OTL growth	2019 Alt	ALT growth
Cisleithania	28 571 934	36 562 026	1,28	55 425 469	1,94
Transleithania	20 886 487	28 789 598	1,38	44 962 510	2,15
Bosnia	1 898 044	3 475 000	1,83	4 934 914	2,60

Tbh, these are just the sums of the populations of of the regions of the monarchy. I was working from bottom to top, you see. Still, the idea here is rather simple. the less developed Transleithania experienced higher growth compared to Cisleithania, but the high levels of immigration (and the high growth of Galicia) kept Cisleithania ahead of the former in terms of total numbers.

Now, onto the regions, onwhich all these numbers until now were based on:

Spoiler: Population growth of the regions

Regions	1910	2019	OTL growth	2019 Alt	ALT growth
Hungary	18 214 727	25 236 590	1,39	39 161 663	2,15
Galicia	8 025 675	10 714 510	1,34	16 452 634	2,05
Bohemia	6 769 548	6 900 000	1,02	11 846 709	1,75
Lower Austria	3 531 814	3 582 114	1,01	6 533 856	1,85
Croatia	2 621 954	3 424 384	1,31	5 375 006	2,05
Bosnia	1 898 044	3 475 000	1,83	4 934 914	2,60
Moravia	2 622 271	3 100 000	1,18	4 457 861	1,70
Styria	1 444 157	1 944 204	1,35	2 599 483	1,80
Tyrol	946 613	1 830 128	1,93	2 082 549	2,20
Bukovina	800 098	1 439 667	1,80	1 760 216	2,20
Silesia	756 949	1 299 012	1,72	1 740 983	2,30
Upper Austria	853 006	1 490 392	1,75	1 706 012	2,00
Dalmatia	645 666	895 401	1,39	1 259 049	1,95
Carniola	525 995	965 773	1,84	1 104 590	2,10
Trieste	229 510	204 420	0,89	998 369	4,35
Carinthia	396 200	635 144	1,60	732 970	1,85
Istria	403 566	348 239	0,86	645 706	1,60
Salzburg	214 737	558 410	2,60	612 000	2,85
Gorizia and Gradisca	260 721	257 518	0,99	456 262	1,75
Vorarlberg	145 408	397 094	2,73	436 224	3,00
Fiume	49 806	128 624	2,58	425 841	8,55

I worked with rounded numbers for simplicity's sake. Things I considered for these alt growths were borders, accessability/interconnectedness, wealth, development, migration, war(s), the iron curtain, tourism and urbanisation.

The Habsburg Monarchy ofcourse wouldn't retain its political structure from 1910. I envisioned it slowly and gradually shifting towards a federation of "macroregions" in the decades following the war, with a pact officialising the changes only well after the fact. Thus, the Danubian Confederation would be born. "Federation" would be a more accurate term to describe the polity, but "confederation" was chosen to atleast pay some lipservice to those fearing their nation's sovereignty.

The member states of the Danubian Confederation (or Danubia for short), would be the following: Austria, Bohemia, Croatia, Galicia and Hungary.

Spoiler: Members of the Danubian Confederation

DC members	1910	2019	OTL growth	2019 Alt	ALT growth
Austria	8 951 727	12 213 436	1,36	17 908 019	2,00
Bohemia	10 148 768	11 299 012	1,11	18 045 552	1,78
Croatia	4 569 804	7 923 409	1,73	11 994 810	2,62
Galicia	8 825 773	12 154 177	1,38	18 212 849	2,06
Hungary	18 214 727	25 236 590	1,39	39 161 663	2,15

What I had the most trouble with were the cities. There were just way too many of them. Still, I burned through countless wiki articles and others sources and managed to put together a list containing cities that could potentially reach 100k inhabitants ITTL. In the end, I assigned 133 cities with a population of 100 000 or higher. For simplicity's sake, I used very rounded numbers.

Spoiler: Cities with pop over 100k

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Vienna	Vienna	Vienna	2 031 498	1 897 491	0,93	4 125 000	2,03
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Budapest	Budapest	Budapest	880 371	1 735 711	1,97	3 975 000	4,52
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Prague	Prague	Prague	223 741	1 301 132	5,82	2 150 000	9,61
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Zágráb	Zagreb	Zagreb	79 038	688 163	8,71	1 225 000	15,50
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Italy	Austria	Trieste	Trieste	Trieste	229 995	204 420	0,89	1 125 000	4,89
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Lemberg	Lviv	Lemberg	206 113	728 545	3,53	1 075 000	5,22
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Krakau	Kraków	Kraków	176 463	762 508	4,32	875 000	4,96
Cisleithania	Styria	Austria	Austria	Graz	Graz	Graz	151 781	328 276	2,16	750 000	4,94
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Sarajevo	Sarajevo	Sarajevo	51 919	275 524	5,31	750 000	14,45
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Brünn	Brno	Brünn	125 737	377 028	3,00	650 000	5,17
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Preßburg	Bratislava	Preßburg	78 223	425 167	5,44	500 000	6,39
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Szeged	Szeged	Segedin	118 328	170 285	1,44	475 000	4,01
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Pilsen	Plzeň	Pilsen	80 445	169 858	2,11	425 000	5,28
Transleithania	Banate	Romania	Hungary	Temeschwar	Timișoara	Temeschwar	72 555	319 279	4,40	425 000	5,86
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Ukraine	Galicia	Czernowitz	Chernivtsi	Czernowitz	62 945	242 300	3,85	425 000	6,75
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Fiume	Rijeka	Fiume	49 806	128 624	2,58	425 000	8,53
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Neusatz	Novi Sad	Neusatz	33 590	380 000	11,31	400 000	11,91
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Debrecen	Debrecen	Debrezin	92 729	208 016	2,24	375 000	4,04
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Klausenburg	Cluj-Napoca	Klausenburg	60 808	324 576	5,34	375 000	6,17
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Przemyśl	Przemyśl	Przemyśl	54 078	60 442	1,12	375 000	6,93
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Maria-Theresianopel	Subotica	Maria-Theresianopel	94 610	105 681	1,12	350 000	3,70
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Pola	Pula	Pola	70 948	57 053	0,80	350 000	4,93
Cisleithania	Carniola	Slovenia	Austria	Laibach	Ljubljana	Laibach	46 630	284 355	6,10	350 000	7,51
Cisleithania	Upper Austria	Austria	Austria	Linz	Linz	Linz	70 756	200 841	2,84	325 000	4,59
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Kolomea	Kołomyja	Kolomea	42 830	61 265	1,43	325 000	7,59
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Kronstadt	Brașov	Kronstadt	41 056	290 743	7,08	300 000	7,31
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Esseg	Osijek	Esseg	31 388	108 048	3,44	300 000	9,56
Transleithania	Banate	Romania	Hungary	Arad	Arad	Arad	63 166	159 074	2,52	275 000	4,35
Transleithania	Cistisza	Slovakia	Hungary	Kaschau	Košice	Kaschau	44 211	238 593	5,40	275 000	6,22
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Ketschkemet	Kecskemét	Ketschkemet	66 834	110 687	1,66	250 000	3,74
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Großwardein	Oradea	Großwardein	64 169	196 367	3,06	250 000	3,90
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Hódmezővásárhely	Hódmezővásárhely	Hódmezővásárhely	62 445	43 311	0,69	250 000	4,00
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Austria	Austria	Innsbruck	Innsbruck	Innsbruck	53 194	132 493	2,49	250 000	4,70
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Budweis	České Budějovice	Budweis	44 538	94 014	2,11	250 000	5,61
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Tarnów	Tarnów	Tarnów	36 731	108 470	2,95	250 000	6,81
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Tarnopol	Ternopil	Tarnopol	33 871	223 462	6,60	250 000	7,38
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Stanislau	Ivano-Frankivsk	Stanislau	33 328	237 686	7,13	250 000	7,50
Transleithania	Cistisza	Hungary	Hungary	Mischkolz	Miskolc	Mischkolz	51 459	157 177	3,05	225 000	4,37
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Fünfkirchen	Pécs	Fünfkirchen	49 822	145 347	2,92	225 000	4,52
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Mährisch Ostrau	Moravská Ostrava (part of Ostrava)	Mährisch Ostrau	36 754	179 062	4,87	225 000	6,12
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Drohobycz	Drohobych	Drohobycz	34 665	75 396	2,17	225 000	6,49
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Rzeszów	Rzeszów	Rzeszów	23 688	198 609	8,38	225 000	9,50
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Spalato	Split	Spalato	21 407	161 312	7,54	225 000	10,51
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Raab	Győr	Raab	44 300	129 301	2,92	200 000	4,51
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Aussig	Ústí nad Labem	Aussig	39 301	92 952	2,37	200 000	5,09
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Stuhlweißenburg	Székesfehérvár	Stuhlweißenburg	36 625	96 940	2,65	200 000	5,46
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Reichenberg	Liberec	Reichenberg	36 350	104 445	2,87	200 000	5,50
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Stryj	Stryi	Stryj	30 895	59 730	1,93	200 000	6,47
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Tschabe	Békéscsaba	Tschabe	42 599	58 996	1,38	175 000	4,11
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Birkenkirchen	Nyíregyháza	Birkenkirchen	38 198	116 799	3,06	175 000	4,58
Cisleithania	Salzburg	Austria	Austria	Salzburg	Salzburg	Salzburg	36 188	153 377	4,24	175 000	4,84
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Sathmar	Satu Mare	Sathmar	34 892	102 441	2,94	175 000	5,02
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Hermannstadt	Sibiu	Hermannstadt	33 489	147 245	4,40	175 000	5,23
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Wiener Neustadt	Wiener Neustadt	Wiener Neustadt	32 874	45 823	1,39	175 000	5,32
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Troppau	Opava	Troppau	30 762	56 638	1,84	175 000	5,69
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Italy	Austria	Trent	Trento	Trent	30 049	118 160	3,93	175 000	5,82
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Neu Sandez	Nowy Sącz	Neu Sandez	25 004	83 896	3,36	175 000	7,00
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Jaroslau	Jarosław	Jaroslau	23 965	38 970	1,63	175 000	7,30
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Olmütz	Olomouc	Olmütz	22 245	100 408	4,51	175 000	7,87
Transleithania	Croatia	Serbia	Croatia	Semlin	Zemun	Semlin	17 131	161 596	9,43	175 000	10,22
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Banjaluka	Banjaluka	Banjaluka	14 800	138 963	9,39	175 000	11,82
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Feulegass	Kiskunfélegyháza	Feulegass	34 924	29 306	0,84	150 000	4,30
Transleithania	Banate	Hungary	Hungary	Makó	Makó	Makó	34 918	22 514	0,64	150 000	4,30
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Ödenburg	Sopron	Ödenburg	33 932	62 671	1,85	150 000	4,42
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Italy	Austria	Gorizia	Gorizia	Gorizia	30 995	34 428	1,11	150 000	4,84
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Steinamanger	Szombathely	Steinamanger	30 947	78 407	2,53	150 000	4,85
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Zombor	Sombor	Zombor	30 593	51 471	1,68	150 000	4,90
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Proßnitz	Prostějov	Proßnitz	30 077	43 680	1,45	150 000	4,99
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Gablonz an der Neiße	Jablonec nad Nisou	Gablonz an der Neiße	29 521	45 802	1,55	150 000	5,08
Cisleithania	Carinthia	Austria	Austria	Klagenfurt	Klagenfurt	Klagenfurt	28 911	100 316	3,47	150 000	5,19
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Sollnock	Szolnok	Sollnock	28 778	71 285	2,48	150 000	5,21
Cisleithania	Styria	Slovenia	Austria	Marburg	Maribor	Marburg	27 994	96 211	3,44	150 000	5,36
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Teplitz-Schönau	Teplice	Teplitz-Schönau	26 777	49 514	1,85	150 000	5,60
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Eger	Cheb	Eger	26 682	32 071	1,20	150 000	5,62
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Marosvásárhely	Târgu Mureș	Marosvásárhely	25 517	134 290	5,26	150 000	5,88
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Polnisch Ostrau	Polská Ostrava	Polnisch Ostrau	22 892	109 861	4,80	150 000	6,55
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia+Poland	Bohemia	Teschen	Český Těšín+Cieszyn	Teschen	22 489	57 643	2,56	150 000	6,67
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary+Slovakia	Hungary	Komárom	Komárom+Komárno	Komárom	22 337	53 583	2,40	150 000	6,72
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Sambor	Sambir	Sambor	20 257	34 695	1,71	150 000	7,40
Cisleithania	Silesia	Poland	Bohemia	Bielitz	Bielsko*(125934)	Bielitz	18 568	0	0,00	150 000	8,08
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Mostar	Mostar	Mostar	16 392	113 169	6,90	150 000	9,15
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Karlstadt	Karlovac	Karlstadt	16 112	49 594	3,08	150 000	9,31
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Zara	Zadar	Zara	14 056	67 349	4,79	150 000	10,67
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Frauenbach	Baia Mare	Frauenbach	12 877	123 738	9,61	150 000	11,65
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Cegléd	Cegléd	Cegléd	33 942	35 334	1,04	125 000	3,68
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Szentes	Szentes	Szentes	31 593	26 887	0,85	125 000	3,96
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Zenta	Senta	Zenta	29 666	23 316	0,79	125 000	4,21
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Großkirchen	Nagykanizsa	Großkirchen	26 524	46 866	1,77	125 000	4,71
Transleithania	Banate	Serbia	Hungary	Großbetschkerek	Zrenjanin	Großbetschkerek	26 006	74 459	2,86	125 000	4,81
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Iglau	Jihlava	Iglau	25 914	50 891	1,96	125 000	4,82
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Brüx	Most	Brüx	25 692	66 034	2,57	125 000	4,87
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Italy	Austria	Bozen	Bolzano	Bozen	24 126	107 317	4,45	125 000	5,18
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Sankt Pölten	Sankt Pölten	Sankt Pölten	21 805	54 649	2,51	125 000	5,73
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Pardubitz	Pardubice	Pardubitz	20 419	90 458	4,43	125 000	6,12
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Prerau	Přerov	Prerau	20 300	43 358	2,14	125 000	6,16
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Brody	Brody	Brody	18 055	23 335	1,29	125 000	6,92
Transleithania	Cistisza	Ukraine	Hungary	Ungwar	Uzhorod	Ungwar	16 919	114 897	6,79	125 000	7,39
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Romania	Galicia	Radautz	Rădăuți	Radautz	16 740	23 822	1,42	125 000	7,47
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Borysław	Boryslav	Borysław	15 145	33 186	2,19	125 000	8,25
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Buczacz	Buchach	Buczacz	14 286	12 321	0,86	125 000	8,75
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Warasdin	Varaždin	Warasdin	13 398	36 384	2,72	125 000	9,33
Transleithania	Croatia	Serbia	Croatia	Syrmisch Mitrowitz	Sremska Mitrovica	Syrmisch Mitrowitz	12 909	37 751	2,92	125 000	9,68
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Sebenico	Šibenik	Sebenico	12 588	31 085	2,47	125 000	9,93
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Maramureschsigeth	Sighetu Marmației	Maramureschsigeth	21 370	33 122	1,55	100 000	4,68
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Frankenstadt	Baja	Frankenstadt	21 032	34 495	1,64	100 000	4,75
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Baden	Baden	Baden	20 632	26 286	1,27	100 000	4,85
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Castua	Kastav	Castua	20 503	10 265	0,50	100 000	4,88
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Kladen	Kladno	Kladen	19 369	67 756	3,50	100 000	5,16
Cisleithania	Carinthia	Austria	Austria	Villach	Villach	Villach	19 298	61 879	3,21	100 000	5,18
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Komotau	Chomutov	Komotau	19 129	48 703	2,55	100 000	5,23
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Gran	Esztergom	Gran	17 881	28 165	1,58	100 000	5,59
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Pisino	Pazin	Pisino	17 627	8 638	0,49	100 000	5,67
Cisleithania	Upper Austria	Austria	Austria	Steyr	Steyr	Steyr	17 442	38 331	2,20	100 000	5,73
Transleithania	Cistisza	Ukraine	Hungary	Munkács	Mukachevo	Munkács	17 275	85 796	4,97	100 000	5,79
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Karwin	Karviná	Karwin	16 808	49 881	2,97	100 000	5,95
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Neutra	Nitra	Neutra	16 419	77 610	4,73	100 000	6,09
Transleithania	Cistisza	Slovakia	Hungary	Preschau	Prešov	Preschau	16 323	88 680	5,43	100 000	6,13
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Tyrnau	Trnava	Tyrnau	15 163	65 382	4,31	100 000	6,60
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Beszterce	Bistrița	Beszterce	13 236	75 076	5,67	100 000	7,56
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Złoczów	Zolochiv	Złoczów	13 234	23 986	1,81	100 000	7,56
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Jaworzno	Jaworzno	Jaworzno	13 160	89 350	6,79	100 000	7,60
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Gródek Jagielloński	Horodok	Gródek Jagielloński	12 973	15 825	1,22	100 000	7,71
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Brzeżany	Berezhany	Brzeżany	12 717	17 316	1,36	100 000	7,86
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Śniatyn	Sniatyn	Śniatyn	12 343	9 844	0,80	100 000	8,10
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Sokal	Sokal	Sokal	11 610	20 659	1,78	100 000	8,61
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Romania	Galicia	Suczawa	Suceava	Suczawa	11 575	92 121	7,96	100 000	8,64
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Tuzla	Tuzla	Tuzla	11 333	74 457	6,57	100 000	8,82
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Königgrätz	Hrádec Králové	Königgrätz	11 065	92 649	8,37	100 000	9,04
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Besztercebánya	Banská Bystrica	Besztercebánya	10 776	78 084	7,25	100 000	9,28
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Wukowar	Vukovar	Wukowar	10 359	22 616	2,18	100 000	9,65
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Slavonski Brod	Slavonski Brod	Slavonski Brod	10 200	45 083	4,42	100 000	9,80
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Bijeljina	Bijeljina	Bijeljina	10 061	70 553	7,01	100 000	9,94
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Sillein	Žilina	Sillein	9 179	80 727	8,79	100 000	10,89

Spoiler: Cities of Austria

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Vienna	Vienna	Vienna	2 031 498	1 897 491	0,93	4 125 000	2,03
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Italy	Austria	Trieste	Trieste	Trieste	229 995	204 420	0,89	1 125 000	4,89
Cisleithania	Styria	Austria	Austria	Graz	Graz	Graz	151 781	328 276	2,16	750 000	4,94
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Pola	Pula	Pola	70 948	57 053	0,80	350 000	4,93
Cisleithania	Carniola	Slovenia	Austria	Laibach	Ljubljana	Laibach	46 630	284 355	6,10	350 000	7,51
Cisleithania	Upper Austria	Austria	Austria	Linz	Linz	Linz	70 756	200 841	2,84	325 000	4,59
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Austria	Austria	Innsbruck	Innsbruck	Innsbruck	53 194	132 493	2,49	250 000	4,70
Cisleithania	Salzburg	Austria	Austria	Salzburg	Salzburg	Salzburg	36 188	153 377	4,24	175 000	4,84
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Wiener Neustadt	Wiener Neustadt	Wiener Neustadt	32 874	45 823	1,39	175 000	5,32
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Italy	Austria	Trent	Trento	Trent	30 049	118 160	3,93	175 000	5,82
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Italy	Austria	Gorizia	Gorizia	Gorizia	30 995	34 428	1,11	150 000	4,84
Cisleithania	Carinthia	Austria	Austria	Klagenfurt	Klagenfurt	Klagenfurt	28 911	100 316	3,47	150 000	5,19
Cisleithania	Styria	Slovenia	Austria	Marburg	Maribor	Marburg	27 994	96 211	3,44	150 000	5,36
Cisleithania	Tyrol&Vorarlberg	Italy	Austria	Bozen	Bolzano	Bozen	24 126	107 317	4,45	125 000	5,18
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Sankt Pölten	Sankt Pölten	Sankt Pölten	21 805	54 649	2,51	125 000	5,73
Cisleithania	Lower Austria	Austria	Austria	Baden	Baden	Baden	20 632	26 286	1,27	100 000	4,85
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Castua	Kastav	Castua	20 503	10 265	0,50	100 000	4,88
Cisleithania	Carinthia	Austria	Austria	Villach	Villach	Villach	19 298	61 879	3,21	100 000	5,18
Cisleithania	Austrian Littoral	Croatia	Austria	Pisino	Pazin	Pisino	17 627	8 638	0,49	100 000	5,67
Cisleithania	Upper Austria	Austria	Austria	Steyr	Steyr	Steyr	17 442	38 331	2,20	100 000	5,73

Spoiler: Cities of Bohemia

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Prague	Prague	Prague	223 741	1 301 132	5,82	2 150 000	9,61
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Brünn	Brno	Brünn	125 737	377 028	3,00	650 000	5,17
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Pilsen	Plzeň	Pilsen	80 445	169 858	2,11	425 000	5,28
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Budweis	České Budějovice	Budweis	44 538	94 014	2,11	250 000	5,61
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Mährisch Ostrau	Moravská Ostrava (part of Ostrava)	Mährisch Ostrau	36 754	179 062	4,87	225 000	6,12
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Aussig	Ústí nad Labem	Aussig	39 301	92 952	2,37	200 000	5,09
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Reichenberg	Liberec	Reichenberg	36 350	104 445	2,87	200 000	5,50
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Troppau	Opava	Troppau	30 762	56 638	1,84	175 000	5,69
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Olmütz	Olomouc	Olmütz	22 245	100 408	4,51	175 000	7,87
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Proßnitz	Prostějov	Proßnitz	30 077	43 680	1,45	150 000	4,99
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Gablonz an der Neiße	Jablonec nad Nisou	Gablonz an der Neiße	29 521	45 802	1,55	150 000	5,08
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Teplitz-Schönau	Teplice	Teplitz-Schönau	26 777	49 514	1,85	150 000	5,60
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Eger	Cheb	Eger	26 682	32 071	1,20	150 000	5,62
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Polnisch Ostrau	Polská Ostrava	Polnisch Ostrau	22 892	109 861	4,80	150 000	6,55
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia+Poland	Bohemia	Teschen	Český Těšín+Cieszyn	Teschen	22 489	57 643	2,56	150 000	6,67
Cisleithania	Silesia	Poland	Bohemia	Bielitz	Bielsko*(125934)	Bielitz	18 568	0	0,00	150 000	8,08
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Iglau	Jihlava	Iglau	25 914	50 891	1,96	125 000	4,82
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Brüx	Most	Brüx	25 692	66 034	2,57	125 000	4,87
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Pardubitz	Pardubice	Pardubitz	20 419	90 458	4,43	125 000	6,12
Cisleithania	Moravia	Czechia	Bohemia	Prerau	Přerov	Prerau	20 300	43 358	2,14	125 000	6,16
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Kladen	Kladno	Kladen	19 369	67 756	3,50	100 000	5,16
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Komotau	Chomutov	Komotau	19 129	48 703	2,55	100 000	5,23
Cisleithania	Silesia	Czechia	Bohemia	Karwin	Karviná	Karwin	16 808	49 881	2,97	100 000	5,95
Cisleithania	Bohemia	Czechia	Bohemia	Königgrätz	Hrádec Králové	Königgrätz	11 065	92 649	8,37	100 000	9,04

Spoiler: Cities of Croatia

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Zágráb	Zagreb	Zagreb	79 038	688 163	8,71	1 225 000	15,50
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Sarajevo	Sarajevo	Sarajevo	51 919	275 524	5,31	750 000	14,45
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Fiume	Rijeka	Fiume	49 806	128 624	2,58	425 000	8,53
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Esseg	Osijek	Esseg	31 388	108 048	3,44	300 000	9,56
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Spalato	Split	Spalato	21 407	161 312	7,54	225 000	10,51
Transleithania	Croatia	Serbia	Croatia	Semlin	Zemun	Semlin	17 131	161 596	9,43	175 000	10,22
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Banjaluka	Banjaluka	Banjaluka	14 800	138 963	9,39	175 000	11,82
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Mostar	Mostar	Mostar	16 392	113 169	6,90	150 000	9,15
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Karlstadt	Karlovac	Karlstadt	16 112	49 594	3,08	150 000	9,31
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Zara	Zadar	Zara	14 056	67 349	4,79	150 000	10,67
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Warasdin	Varaždin	Warasdin	13 398	36 384	2,72	125 000	9,33
Transleithania	Croatia	Serbia	Croatia	Syrmisch Mitrowitz	Sremska Mitrovica	Syrmisch Mitrowitz	12 909	37 751	2,92	125 000	9,68
Cisleithania	Dalmatia	Croatia	Croatia	Sebenico	Šibenik	Sebenico	12 588	31 085	2,47	125 000	9,93
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Tuzla	Tuzla	Tuzla	11 333	74 457	6,57	100 000	8,82
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Wukowar	Vukovar	Wukowar	10 359	22 616	2,18	100 000	9,65
Transleithania	Croatia	Croatia	Croatia	Slavonski Brod	Slavonski Brod	Slavonski Brod	10 200	45 083	4,42	100 000	9,80
Bosnia	Bosnia	Bosnia	Croatia	Bijeljina	Bijeljina	Bijeljina	10 061	70 553	7,01	100 000	9,94

Spoiler: Cities of Galicia

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Lemberg	Lviv	Lemberg	206 113	728 545	3,53	1 075 000	5,22
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Krakau	Kraków	Kraków	176 463	762 508	4,32	875 000	4,96
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Ukraine	Galicia	Czernowitz	Chernivtsi	Czernowitz	62 945	242 300	3,85	425 000	6,75
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Przemyśl	Przemyśl	Przemyśl	54 078	60 442	1,12	375 000	6,93
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Kolomea	Kołomyja	Kolomea	42 830	61 265	1,43	325 000	7,59
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Tarnów	Tarnów	Tarnów	36 731	108 470	2,95	250 000	6,81
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Tarnopol	Ternopil	Tarnopol	33 871	223 462	6,60	250 000	7,38
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Stanislau	Ivano-Frankivsk	Stanislau	33 328	237 686	7,13	250 000	7,50
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Drohobycz	Drohobych	Drohobycz	34 665	75 396	2,17	225 000	6,49
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Rzeszów	Rzeszów	Rzeszów	23 688	198 609	8,38	225 000	9,50
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Stryj	Stryi	Stryj	30 895	59 730	1,93	200 000	6,47
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Neu Sandez	Nowy Sącz	Neu Sandez	25 004	83 896	3,36	175 000	7,00
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Jaroslau	Jarosław	Jaroslau	23 965	38 970	1,63	175 000	7,30
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Sambor	Sambir	Sambor	20 257	34 695	1,71	150 000	7,40
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Brody	Brody	Brody	18 055	23 335	1,29	125 000	6,92
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Romania	Galicia	Radautz	Rădăuți	Radautz	16 740	23 822	1,42	125 000	7,47
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Borysław	Boryslav	Borysław	15 145	33 186	2,19	125 000	8,25
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Buczacz	Buchach	Buczacz	14 286	12 321	0,86	125 000	8,75
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Złoczów	Zolochiv	Złoczów	13 234	23 986	1,81	100 000	7,56
Cisleithania	Galicia	Poland	Galicia	Jaworzno	Jaworzno	Jaworzno	13 160	89 350	6,79	100 000	7,60
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Gródek Jagielloński	Horodok	Gródek Jagielloński	12 973	15 825	1,22	100 000	7,71
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Brzeżany	Berezhany	Brzeżany	12 717	17 316	1,36	100 000	7,86
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Śniatyn	Sniatyn	Śniatyn	12 343	9 844	0,80	100 000	8,10
Cisleithania	Galicia	Ukraine	Galicia	Sokal	Sokal	Sokal	11 610	20 659	1,78	100 000	8,61
Cisleithania	Bukovina	Romania	Galicia	Suczawa	Suceava	Suczawa	11 575	92 121	7,96	100 000	8,64

Spoiler: Cities of Hungary

Country 1910	Region 1910	OTL 2019	Danubia 2019	Int Name 1910	Int Name OTL 2019	Int Name ALT 2019	Pop 1910	Pop OTL 2019	OTL Growth	Pop ALT 2019	ALT Growth
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Budapest	Budapest	Budapest	880 371	1 735 711	1,97	3 975 000	4,52
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Preßburg	Bratislava	Preßburg	78 223	425 167	5,44	500 000	6,39
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Szeged	Szeged	Segedin	118 328	170 285	1,44	475 000	4,01
Transleithania	Banate	Romania	Hungary	Temeschwar	Timișoara	Temeschwar	72 555	319 279	4,40	425 000	5,86
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Neusatz	Novi Sad	Neusatz	33 590	380 000	11,31	400 000	11,91
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Debrecen	Debrecen	Debrezin	92 729	208 016	2,24	375 000	4,04
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Klausenburg	Cluj-Napoca	Klausenburg	60 808	324 576	5,34	375 000	6,17
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Maria-Theresianopel	Subotica	Maria-Theresianopel	94 610	105 681	1,12	350 000	3,70
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Kronstadt	Brașov	Kronstadt	41 056	290 743	7,08	300 000	7,31
Transleithania	Banate	Romania	Hungary	Arad	Arad	Arad	63 166	159 074	2,52	275 000	4,35
Transleithania	Cistisza	Slovakia	Hungary	Kaschau	Košice	Kaschau	44 211	238 593	5,40	275 000	6,22
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Ketschkemet	Kecskemét	Ketschkemet	66 834	110 687	1,66	250 000	3,74
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Großwardein	Oradea	Großwardein	64 169	196 367	3,06	250 000	3,90
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Hódmezővásárhely	Hódmezővásárhely	Hódmezővásárhely	62 445	43 311	0,69	250 000	4,00
Transleithania	Cistisza	Hungary	Hungary	Mischkolz	Miskolc	Mischkolz	51 459	157 177	3,05	225 000	4,37
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Fünfkirchen	Pécs	Fünfkirchen	49 822	145 347	2,92	225 000	4,52
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Raab	Győr	Raab	44 300	129 301	2,92	200 000	4,51
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Stuhlweißenburg	Székesfehérvár	Stuhlweißenburg	36 625	96 940	2,65	200 000	5,46
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Tschabe	Békéscsaba	Tschabe	42 599	58 996	1,38	175 000	4,11
Transleithania	Transtisza	Hungary	Hungary	Birkenkirchen	Nyíregyháza	Birkenkirchen	38 198	116 799	3,06	175 000	4,58
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Sathmar	Satu Mare	Sathmar	34 892	102 441	2,94	175 000	5,02
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Hermannstadt	Sibiu	Hermannstadt	33 489	147 245	4,40	175 000	5,23
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Feulegass	Kiskunfélegyháza	Feulegass	34 924	29 306	0,84	150 000	4,30
Transleithania	Banate	Hungary	Hungary	Makó	Makó	Makó	34 918	22 514	0,64	150 000	4,30
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Ödenburg	Sopron	Ödenburg	33 932	62 671	1,85	150 000	4,42
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Steinamanger	Szombathely	Steinamanger	30 947	78 407	2,53	150 000	4,85
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Zombor	Sombor	Zombor	30 593	51 471	1,68	150 000	4,90
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Sollnock	Szolnok	Sollnock	28 778	71 285	2,48	150 000	5,21
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Marosvásárhely	Târgu Mureș	Marosvásárhely	25 517	134 290	5,26	150 000	5,88
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary+Slovakia	Hungary	Komárom	Komárom+Komárno	Komárom	22 337	53 583	2,40	150 000	6,72
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Frauenbach	Baia Mare	Frauenbach	12 877	123 738	9,61	150 000	11,65
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Cegléd	Cegléd	Cegléd	33 942	35 334	1,04	125 000	3,68
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Szentes	Szentes	Szentes	31 593	26 887	0,85	125 000	3,96
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Serbia	Hungary	Zenta	Senta	Zenta	29 666	23 316	0,79	125 000	4,21
Transleithania	Transdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Großkirchen	Nagykanizsa	Großkirchen	26 524	46 866	1,77	125 000	4,71
Transleithania	Banate	Serbia	Hungary	Großbetschkerek	Zrenjanin	Großbetschkerek	26 006	74 459	2,86	125 000	4,81
Transleithania	Cistisza	Ukraine	Hungary	Ungwar	Uzhorod	Ungwar	16 919	114 897	6,79	125 000	7,39
Transleithania	Transtisza	Romania	Hungary	Maramureschsigeth	Sighetu Marmației	Maramureschsigeth	21 370	33 122	1,55	100 000	4,68
Transleithania	Central Hungary	Hungary	Hungary	Frankenstadt	Baja	Frankenstadt	21 032	34 495	1,64	100 000	4,75
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Hungary	Hungary	Gran	Esztergom	Gran	17 881	28 165	1,58	100 000	5,59
Transleithania	Cistisza	Ukraine	Hungary	Munkács	Mukachevo	Munkács	17 275	85 796	4,97	100 000	5,79
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Neutra	Nitra	Neutra	16 419	77 610	4,73	100 000	6,09
Transleithania	Cistisza	Slovakia	Hungary	Preschau	Prešov	Preschau	16 323	88 680	5,43	100 000	6,13
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Tyrnau	Trnava	Tyrnau	15 163	65 382	4,31	100 000	6,60
Transleithania	Transylvania	Romania	Hungary	Beszterce	Bistrița	Beszterce	13 236	75 076	5,67	100 000	7,56
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Besztercebánya	Banská Bystrica	Besztercebánya	10 776	78 084	7,25	100 000	9,28
Transleithania	Cisdanubia	Slovakia	Hungary	Sillein	Žilina	Sillein	9 179	80 727	8,79	100 000	10,89

A highspeed railway network is also among the things I want to plan out, but I'm not sure how many lines with how many stations could realistically be. Help in this regard would be much appreciated.

So, what are your thoughts/opinions? Which parts should I reconsider? Did I miss something? Tell me what you think!

 

[Lalli]

Have you checked demographics with religions and languages? Yes, these would are really hard to estimate but perhaps there could be some ideas.

 

[Roches]

Excellent work! There's no doubt that the high-speed railway network will include a route from London and Paris to Constantinople via Vienna and Budapest — yes, the Orient Express at 300 km/h or more.
I've taken a 1911 railway map and added some cities and routes. I'm not sure how much time I'll have for it, though. I have to say that Hungary, at least on the map, doesn't have many obvious stations or routes. And it's difficult to ensure that all the large cities are included, and that names are correct.

 

[Fehérvári]

Have you checked demographics with religions and languages? Yes, these would are really hard to estimate but perhaps there could be some ideas.

I have all the data one could ask for about 1910, but I didn't work out anything concrete for this Alt 2019. The expulsions and ethnic cleansings however were all taken into account for the alt growth of the total population of each region.

 

[Fehérvári]

Excellent work! I was so impressed I took a 1911 railway map of the empire and started sketching a modern-day rail network.

Thank you! I'm really glad that my little thought-experiment gave you some inspiration!

I'm not sure how much time I'll have to work on it, but it'll be interesting.

Speed is not my forte either. My original thread about the topic is more than two years old by this point

I hope you'll share your work with us once it's finished!

 

[Fehérvári]

This is what I had in mind for a HSR network, but I'm not sure wether the distances and the amount of lines are appropiate or not. (I hope the embedding works this time.)

Spoiler: Danubia HSR WIP

The lines are not the actual routes, I just connected the stations with straight lines.

 

[Fehérvári]

There's no doubt that the high-speed railway network will include a route from London and Paris to Constantinople via Vienna and Budapest — yes, the Orient Express at 300 km/h or more.

I prioritised domestic needs during my planning, but that's quite a fascinating idea! Could this HS Orient Express be a new line parallel to all to those already drawn up? Where would the line go past Budapest? Towards Belgrade of Bucharest? A route through Belgrade to Constantinople could include Sofia too, so the line would go through one more capital city like that.

 

[Fehérvári]

I have to say that Hungary, at least on the map, doesn't have many obvious stations or routes. And it's difficult to ensure that all the large cities are included, and that names are correct.

Too many possible destinations or too few? As for the names, I personally tried to go with the historical German names, the Hungarian wiki articles usually included those.

 

[CASSICTOR2]

Do you think you Vienna will be the European equipment of New York?
Think about it they’re gonna be a ton of ethnic group when want to move there,
It is gonna be very diversed with different language and cultures and it might be the richest and greatest urban centers in all Europe

 

[Lalli]

Do you think you Vienna will be the European equipment of New York?
Think about it they’re gonna be a ton of ethnic group when want to move there,
It is gonna be very diversed with different language and cultures and it might be the richest and greatest urban centers in all Europe

I think that Berlin and London passes Vienna even if not much. Of course Vienna would be much bigger city than in OTL.

 

[Fehérvári]

Do you think you Vienna will be the European equipment of New York?
Think about it they’re gonna be a ton of ethnic group when want to move there,
It is gonna be very diversed with different language and cultures and it might be the richest and greatest urban centers in all Europe

It would certainly be one of the most diverse metropolises of Europe, if not else. As for its wealth, it would be in a respectable position, but I don't think it would get the top spot.

 

[longtimelurker]

Do you think you Vienna will be the European equipment of New York?
Think about it they’re gonna be a ton of ethnic group when want to move there,
It is gonna be very diversed with different language and cultures and it might be the richest and greatest urban centers in all Europe

Don't forget Budapest, which was also an incredibly diverse and vibrant city - in fact, there was such a large and vibrant Jewish community there that the nickname that it was sometimes given (disproportionately by Anti-Semites) was <German word for Jew>-pest. (Also, 3 of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century came from the same neighborhood in Budapest: Teller, Szilard, and von Neumann - who was one of the Greatest thinkers to ever live - to the extent that they had the same Maths teacher). So it would be more that there would be several great cosmopolitan super-cities in AH, which would be one of the greatest intellectual powerhouses in the world.

 

[Nivek]

I have all the data one could ask for about 1910, but I didn't work out anything concrete for this Alt 2019. The expulsions and ethnic cleansings however were all taken into account for the alt growth of the total population of each region.

A reminder that FF was to push a massive Germanization campaign, not by force but with soft power, wanting to create a super Austria identity based on german-Austrian culture.

 

[Fehérvári]

Don't forget Budapest, which was also an incredibly diverse and vibrant city

For anyone curious, Budapest's population in 1910 looked like this:
Language:
Hungarian - 85,88%
German - 8,96%
Slovak - 2,31%
Polish - 0,66%
Czech-Moravian - 0,57%
Serb - 0,45%
Croat - 0,32%
Romanian - 0,32%
Italian - 0,10%
Bulgarian - 0,07%
Slovene - 0,04%
Ruthenian - 0,03%
Bunjevac - 0,01%
Other - 0,28%
Religion:
Roman Catholic - 59,77%
Israelite - 23,14%
Calvinist - 9,88%
Lutheran - 4,95%
Greek Catholic - 1,07%
Orthodox - 0,79%
Unitarian - 0,24%
Other - 0,16%

(Also, 3 of the greatest thinkers of the 20th century came from the same neighborhood in Budapest: Teller, Szilard, and von Neumann - who was one of the Greatest thinkers to ever live - to the extent that they had the same Maths teacher). So it would be more that there would be several great cosmopolitan super-cities in AH, which would be one of the greatest intellectual powerhouses in the world.

This reminds me of this thread:

Austria-Hungary without a World War I: a physics superpower?

Seen on the Web: Seriously, consider a few of the great physicists and mathematicians from Austria-Hungary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Szilard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_von_Neumann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller...

www.alternatehistory.com

A reminder that FF was to push a massive Germanization campaign, not by force but with soft power, wanting to create a super Austria identity based on german-Austrian culture.

How exactly would that work? Via entertainment, like movies and such?

 

[Nivek]

How exactly would that work? Via entertainment, like movies and such?

Yes, a lot of soft power , he was taking points from USA and France in how to pull it

 

[Kohlticus Euraleth]

A lot of work went into this and I much appreciate it. If we take a middle of the road approach and assume a GDP per capita similar to Italy, we'd have another economic heavyweight power with a 3.5 trillion GDP, giving it a massive economy and a big global voice.

 

[Fehérvári]

Yes, a lot of soft power , he was taking points from USA and France in how to pull it

Very interesting. A great side effect of such efforts could be the establishment of a robust film industry.

A lot of work went into this and I much appreciate it. If we take a middle of the road approach and assume a GDP per capita similar to Italy, we'd have another economic heavyweight power with a 3.5 trillion GDP, giving it a massive economy and a big global voice.

I was planning on giving the country greater wealth than what Italy IOTL has.
Here's an old, outdated table of what I had in mind about a year or so ago. I will change a few things for the new version, but it conveys the general idea.

Spoiler: List ATL countries sorted by nominal GDP

#	Country	Population	GDP(PPP)($)	GDP(PPP)/Capita($)	GDP($)	GDP/Capita($)	Area(km2)	Pop. Density(/km2)	Non-prim. sect.(%)
1.	United States	330 000 000	20 625 000 000 000	62 500	20 625 000 000 000	62 500	9 525 067	34,65	99,1
2.	China	1 445 000 000	28 900 000 000 000	20 000	18 062 500 000 000	12 500	9 599 747	150,52	92,1
3.	Russia	440 000 000	22 000 000 000 000	50 000	13 200 000 000 000	30 000	22 531 640	19,53	95,3
4.	Japan	155 000 000	7 362 500 000 000	47 500	6 975 000 000 000	45 000	462 568	335,09	98,9
5.	Germany	112 500 000	6 187 500 000 000	55 000	6 187 500 000 000	55 000	543 444	207,01	99,3
6.	Danubian Federation	107 500 000	6 181 250 000 000	57 500	5 643 750 000 000	52 500	676 615	158,88	98,7
7.	India	1 745 000 000	13 087 500 000 000	7 500	4 362 500 000 000	2 500	4 341 965	401,89	84,6
8.	Ottoman Empire	210 000 000	6 300 000 000 000	30 000	4 200 000 000 000	20 000	3 628 865	57,87	96,6
9.	United Kingdom	70 000 000	3 500 000 000 000	50 000	3 150 000 000 000	45 000	242 495	288,67	99,3
10.	France	70 000 000	3 500 000 000 000	50 000	3 150 000 000 000	45 000	626 183	111,79	98,3
11.	Korea	77 500 000	3 487 500 000 000	45 000	2 712 500 000 000	35 000	220 750	351,08	97,8
12.	Italy	62 500 000	2 812 500 000 000	45 000	2 343 750 000 000	37 500	301 340	207,41	97,9
13.	Brazil	210 000 000	3 150 000 000 000	15 000	2 100 000 000 000	10 000	8 515 767	24,66	95,4
14.	Canada	37 500 000	1 968 750 000 000	52 500	1 781 250 000 000	47 500	9 984 670	3,76	98,4
15.	Spain	50 000 000	2 125 000 000 000	42 500	1 750 000 000 000	35 000	505 992	98,82	97,4
16.	Australia	25 000 000	1 250 000 000 000	50 000	1 375 000 000 000	55 000	7 692 024	3,25	96,4
17.	Indonesia	270 000 000	3 375 000 000 000	12 500	1 350 000 000 000	5 000	1 910 931	141,29	86,3
18.	Mexico	127 500 000	2 550 000 000 000	20 000	1 275 000 000 000	10 000	1 964 375	64,91	96,4
19.	Iran	82 500 000	1 650 000 000 000	20 000	1 237 500 000 000	15 000	1 648 195	50,05	90,4
20.	Netherlands	17 000 000	1 020 000 000 000	60 000	935 000 000 000	55 000	41 850	406,21	98,4

On another note, I've been playing around with the HSR network plans and I made an updated map:

Spoiler: danubia HSR WIPv2

It's probably way too dense now. Feedback is appreciated!

 

[Frrf]

Very interesting. A great side effect of such efforts could be the establishment of a robust film industry.

I was planning on giving the country greater wealth than what Italy IOTL has.
Here's an old, outdated table of what I had in mind about a year or so ago. I will change a few things for the new version, but it conveys the general idea.

Spoiler: List ATL countries sorted by nominal GDP

#	Country	Population	GDP(PPP)($)	GDP(PPP)/Capita($)	GDP($)	GDP/Capita($)	Area(km2)	Pop. Density(/km2)	Non-prim. sect.(%)
1.	United States	330 000 000	20 625 000 000 000	62 500	20 625 000 000 000	62 500	9 525 067	34,65	99,1
2.	China	1 445 000 000	28 900 000 000 000	20 000	18 062 500 000 000	12 500	9 599 747	150,52	92,1
3.	Russia	440 000 000	22 000 000 000 000	50 000	13 200 000 000 000	30 000	22 531 640	19,53	95,3
4.	Japan	155 000 000	7 362 500 000 000	47 500	6 975 000 000 000	45 000	462 568	335,09	98,9
5.	Germany	112 500 000	6 187 500 000 000	55 000	6 187 500 000 000	55 000	543 444	207,01	99,3
6.	Danubian Federation	107 500 000	6 181 250 000 000	57 500	5 643 750 000 000	52 500	676 615	158,88	98,7
7.	India	1 745 000 000	13 087 500 000 000	7 500	4 362 500 000 000	2 500	4 341 965	401,89	84,6
8.	Ottoman Empire	210 000 000	6 300 000 000 000	30 000	4 200 000 000 000	20 000	3 628 865	57,87	96,6
9.	United Kingdom	70 000 000	3 500 000 000 000	50 000	3 150 000 000 000	45 000	242 495	288,67	99,3
10.	France	70 000 000	3 500 000 000 000	50 000	3 150 000 000 000	45 000	626 183	111,79	98,3
11.	Korea	77 500 000	3 487 500 000 000	45 000	2 712 500 000 000	35 000	220 750	351,08	97,8
12.	Italy	62 500 000	2 812 500 000 000	45 000	2 343 750 000 000	37 500	301 340	207,41	97,9
13.	Brazil	210 000 000	3 150 000 000 000	15 000	2 100 000 000 000	10 000	8 515 767	24,66	95,4
14.	Canada	37 500 000	1 968 750 000 000	52 500	1 781 250 000 000	47 500	9 984 670	3,76	98,4
15.	Spain	50 000 000	2 125 000 000 000	42 500	1 750 000 000 000	35 000	505 992	98,82	97,4
16.	Australia	25 000 000	1 250 000 000 000	50 000	1 375 000 000 000	55 000	7 692 024	3,25	96,4
17.	Indonesia	270 000 000	3 375 000 000 000	12 500	1 350 000 000 000	5 000	1 910 931	141,29	86,3
18.	Mexico	127 500 000	2 550 000 000 000	20 000	1 275 000 000 000	10 000	1 964 375	64,91	96,4
19.	Iran	82 500 000	1 650 000 000 000	20 000	1 237 500 000 000	15 000	1 648 195	50,05	90,4
20.	Netherlands	17 000 000	1 020 000 000 000	60 000	935 000 000 000	55 000	41 850	406,21	98,4

On another note, I've been playing around with the HSR network plans and I made an updated map:

Spoiler: danubia HSR WIPv2

It's probably way too dense now. Feedback is appreciated!

The lines in Italy are mostly good. The Udine-Venice line would probably stop at Treviso, and continue from Venice to Padua, where it would split to a southern line heading to Rome via Bologna, Florence and maybe Sienna, and a western line heading to Turin via Verona and Milan (possibly also a split at Milan heading to Genoa), and thence either a line or plans for a line through the Alps to southern France. A line running up the pass from Villach to Salzburg would also be reasonable and cut transit times from the port of Trieste to markets in Central Europe significantly.

There's likely also lines from Lviv into OTL Ukraine, to Kyiv (and from there maybe to Moscow and St Petersburg) and down through Moldova to Odessa to access the Black Sea. Assuming reasonably good relations between Danubia and its eastern neighbours. A line up from Krakow through Silesia to Dresden and Berlin would also make sense.

The Czech and Hungarian networks are probably a bit over-dense, with too many stops in small communities. As a general rule, HSR competes with short-haul flights rather than with slower rail. If these areas could be served by conventional rail without significant loss of passengers, they probably would be. Otherwise you end up with white elephant rail lines like many in China, that don't serve enough passengers to get anywhere near breaking even.

The economic data is interesting and tells me that India isn't partitioned(based purely on population), Japan did not hold on to Korea (but may have kept Taiwan), and that the Russian Empire is more-or-less intact and probably had a pretty peaceful 20th Century with a relatively smooth reform process, since it's pretty well developed and has a huge population (thus is very unlikely to have suffered from violent revolution or civil war). The Ottoman Empire is also pretty much intact, though it's unclear how much European and North African territory, if any, it has retained.

Iran hasn't been suffering under a half century of severe sanctions, so decent chance its a stable, moderate constitutional monarchy or secular republic. Indonesia's doing pretty well too, and clearly controls at least most of the former Dutch East Indies (no indication whether or not they hold West Papua). The British Empire has clearly fallen apart, but it seems to have been at least as peaceful and orderly as OTL, since Canada and Australia are doing so well, and there's a decent chance the UK is holding onto strategic points like Singapore, Aden and Hong Kong and remains a major power, in vague personal union/confederacy/alliance with Canada, Australia, NZ and maybe South Africa and Carribean states (and possibly even a looser personal union/alignment with India, if India is a confederation of the Princely States and the former British provinces and the various factions couldn't agree on what to replace the Crown with). If the UK is holding onto Singapore/HK/Aden/Malta, the population increase might be balanced out by the loss of Northern Ireland, since pre war the plan was to release the whole of Ireland as a dominion.

Italy's doing ok, so the Liberal era probably just continued on. Italy may or may not have acquired Libya and some bits and pieces in East Africa, but based on population it didn't keep them. Similarly, France doesn't look to have kept significantly more of its empire than OTL. Maybe Algiers and Oran. Germany probably still holds onto its chunks of Poland, and might have a few colonial possessions hanging about. The Netherlands looks to have lost all its colonial holds bar maybe the Carribean ones. They might still hold onto West Papua through some sort of home rule arrangement, or they might have given it up either to Indonesia or to the UK/Australia or Germany.

Mexico and Brazil look to be doing alright, moving into the realms of middle income countries, which bodes well for Latin America as a whole and suggests that the US probably wasn't as able or inclined to meddle. We don't have any African nations in this top 20, so Africa is probably still mostly resource-exporting client states. South Africa's abscence could indicate either that it broke apart into smaller states or a vicious civil war that ravaged the economy and society of the country, or simply that it stagnated under minority rule. Portugal's abscence suggests that its empire has likely collapsed as well. It might hold onto Macau, Goa or Timor-Leste if other European powers back it up, but likely its lost everything and is very much a minor power. Spain looks to have a similar population and economy to OTL, so probably not much changed there.

Weirdly, Australia and Canada seem to have more or less OTL populations, which seems unlikely unless something terrible happened to them. Both countries took pretty serious hits from the wars, and the loss of life by the UK impacted migration as well. Especially for Australia, since the White Australia policy severely limited non-European migration, and limited even most European migration, favouring British migrants. It was loosened in the 50s out of fear of invasion from Asia (lilely to still arise given that it looks like Asian colonies are still going to get independence, and fear of Chinese invasion goes back to the 19th Century), and then abandoned entirely in the 70s and 80s. TTL Australia, if it has been about as prosperous and racistly paranoid as OTL, probably attracted even more migrants from Europe over the xourse of the first half of the 20th Century, since there won't have been about a decade in which migration shut down entirely due to war and a great depression, and having come over the course of decades rather than in a great mass in the late 40s-early 50s as European refugees were resettled, there's a decent chance that smaller towns and cities received more migrants and thus the population is a bit less concentrated. Unless something significant has happened, I'd bump both Australia and Canada's populations up a bit.

 

[Fehérvári]

The lines in Italy are mostly good. The Udine-Venice line would probably stop at Treviso, and continue from Venice to Padua, where it would split to a southern line heading to Rome via Bologna, Florence and maybe Sienna, and a western line heading to Turin via Verona and Milan (possibly also a split at Milan heading to Genoa), and thence either a line or plans for a line through the Alps to southern France.

Honestly, I didn't really put much thought into the routes and stops outside Austria-Hungary, I just wanted to show a general international connectedness.

A line running up the pass from Villach to Salzburg would also be reasonable and cut transit times from the port of Trieste to markets in Central Europe significantly.

I also considered that. It's already been added to a newer version of the map.
On that note, I began using scribblemaps. It's a pretty good tool for these kind of things.

Create Maps on Scribble Maps

Easily create and share maps of all types with Scribble Maps.

www.scribblemaps.com

I also drew in some international routes for fun but I will probably delete those.

The Czech and Hungarian networks are probably a bit over-dense, with too many stops in small communities.

All small blue dots on the map mark cities with 100k–150k people within administrative limits, while the bigger blue dots mark cities with 175k-225k people. Are those too small to be designated as stops? Or the problem is the distance?

As a general rule, HSR competes with short-haul flights rather than with slower rail. If these areas could be served by conventional rail without significant loss of passengers, they probably would be. Otherwise you end up with white elephant rail lines like many in China, that don't serve enough passengers to get anywhere near breaking even.

So a minimum of 100km between stations would be more appropiate?

The economic data is interesting and tells me that India isn't partitioned(based purely on population), Japan did not hold on to Korea (but may have kept Taiwan)

Yep, you're right. And yes, Japan did keep Taiwan which managed to develop into quite a diverse place. Korea was simply too difficult to hold onto however.

and that the Russian Empire is more-or-less intact and probably had a pretty peaceful 20th Century with a relatively smooth reform process

The beginning of the century certainly wasn't peaceful since WW1 still happened, but the avoidance of the October Revolution and the civil war was certainly a great boon compared to OTL. Russia officially became a republic in 1919 after much debate. The country continued to experience numerous political crises in the following decades, but the 2nd half of the century brought stability and soon prosperity.

The Ottoman Empire is also pretty much intact, though it's unclear how much European and North African territory, if any, it has retained.

The territories of OTL Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Israel/Palestine, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and North Yemen are more or less all part of the Ottoman Empire according to the table, but honestly I don't know how to deal with the country. I'm really unsure of its chances of survival to modern times.

Iran hasn't been suffering under a half century of severe sanctions, so decent chance its a stable, moderate constitutional monarchy or secular republic. Indonesia's doing pretty well too, and clearly controls at least most of the former Dutch East Indies (no indication whether or not they hold West Papua).

Something along the lines of the 1953 coup still happened in Iran, but without the bipolar cold war dynamics of OTL, the new regime couldn't survive long and the country soon became a democracy.
Meanwhile, the Dutch rule over Indonesia remained stable without the OTL Japanese invasion, so decolonisation was delayed and happened differently. You could say that an united Indonesia managed to secure political independence, but the Dutch still have a strong presence in the economy of the country.

The British Empire has clearly fallen apart, but it seems to have been at least as peaceful and orderly as OTL, since Canada and Australia are doing so well, and there's a decent chance the UK is holding onto strategic points like Singapore, Aden and Hong Kong and remains a major power, in vague personal union/confederacy/alliance with Canada, Australia, NZ and maybe South Africa and Carribean states (and possibly even a looser personal union/alignment with India, if India is a confederation of the Princely States and the former British provinces and the various factions couldn't agree on what to replace the Crown with).

Britain held onto strategic locations around the globe, and has a bit more influence over the Commonwealth countries, but otherwise it developed quite similarly to OTL. India did infact retain the British Monarch as ceremonial head of state, but only to act as guarantor of sectarian equality within the country.

If the UK is holding onto Singapore/HK/Aden/Malta, the population increase might be balanced out by the loss of Northern Ireland, since pre war the plan was to release the whole of Ireland as a dominion.

Just for the record, WW1 would still happen ITTL. It would just end earlier and would bring less drastic changes to the region.

Italy's doing ok, so the Liberal era probably just continued on. Italy may or may not have acquired Libya and some bits and pieces in East Africa, but based on population it didn't keep them.

Post-Great War, Italy shifted to the left and went through different shades of socialist rule in the following decades. Italian colonial possessions were neglected thus Libya was never truly pacified. Italy was first among the European powers to fully decolonise.

Similarly, France doesn't look to have kept significantly more of its empire than OTL. Maybe Algiers and Oran.

France tried to hold onto its colonial possessions as long as possible, however the demographic decline of the country lead to the eventual embrace of decolonisation and the encouragement of immigration of the colonial settlers back to the Metropol. Leaving the colonies left the French government with more money, which was used to build up a robust welfare state. Demographic trends soon began to reverse.

Germany probably still holds onto its chunks of Poland, and might have a few colonial possessions hanging about. The Netherlands looks to have lost all its colonial holds bar maybe the Carribean ones. They might still hold onto West Papua through some sort of home rule arrangement, or they might have given it up either to Indonesia or to the UK/Australia or Germany.

Most European powers took the neocolonialist approach to their too big or strategically unimportant colonies. The imperialist rational might have faced less challenges ITTL, however economics still proved to be quite a compelling force when it came to the question of letting go of empires. Furthermore, with the lack of a power like the Soviet Union, fear of losing assets in newly independent countries was less present.

Mexico and Brazil look to be doing alright, moving into the realms of middle income countries, which bodes well for Latin America as a whole and suggests that the US probably wasn't as able or inclined to meddle.

European competition to the US in the region and the lack of the Big Red Menace allowed the region to experience significantly healthier development.

We don't have any African nations in this top 20, so Africa is probably still mostly resource-exporting client states.

There might be no African countries in the top 20, but a few of them are doing alright, especially Egypt and Nigeria. Both of those countries have GDP(PPP) over a trillion dollars. In a new table, Egypt might even make it into the top 20 since I'm considering attaching the Kufra district to it. Italian colonial negligence would mean someone else would need to fill their role, after all.

South Africa's abscence could indicate either that it broke apart into smaller states or a vicious civil war that ravaged the economy and society of the country, or simply that it stagnated under minority rule.

It just didn't make it into the top 20, it's doing reasonably fine. Apartheid as we know it never got introduced ITTL, however unequal power sharing arrangements still left whites dominating the country for the entirety of the 20th century. Things ony began to change starting from the late '90s.

Portugal's abscence suggests that its empire has likely collapsed as well.

Portugal is too small to get in the top 20. It is somewhat richer than IOTL though.

It might hold onto Macau, Goa or Timor-Leste if other European powers back it up, but likely its lost everything and is very much a minor power.

Yep, but instead of simply losing them, the Portuguese sold those lands. (Well, they didn't really have a choice, it was a result of Great Power arbitration.)

Spain looks to have a similar population and economy to OTL, so probably not much changed there.

Spain remained a republic as it didn't fall into civil war ITTL. I gave the country marginally higher population and a sliver bit better GDP numbers to reflect.

Weirdly, Australia and Canada seem to have more or less OTL populations, which seems unlikely unless something terrible happened to them. Both countries took pretty serious hits from the wars, and the loss of life by the UK impacted migration as well.

WW1 still happened, so the huge loss of life would still apply here. British and Dominion losses seem marginal for WW2 to justify significantly higher populations for Australia and Canada ITTL, imo.

 

[NedStark]

Feel like Danubian Federation GDP per capita is way too high - it still started way behind and had very uneven developments between regions - you have Austria and Czech which already developed (and their individual GDP per capita still trailed France the last time Austria-Hungary was still an entity) but OTOH Hungary and the Adriatic states which were way less developed compared to say, France. Note that only countries with much smaller population and the US surpassed Germany IOTL in GDP per capita - assume that Germany level of development is OTL or higher.

42, 000 - 48,000 is about right IMO.