Bruh where did you get this notion from? Pre-WWI Canada did accept Galicians, Doukhobours, and other eastern Europeans by the boat load. Yes, they were deemed less desirable than Anglos and other Western/Northern Europeans, but less desirable =/= undesirable. They weren't subject to any of the measures taken to discourage blacks and Asians, and iirc they were generally considered to be more desirable than the southern Europeans Canada also accepted by the boatload.
Demographics of a surviving Austria-Hungary (again)
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When is the PoD? As mentioned, most Eastern European immigrants came before WWI.
I also went to Ukrainian school on Sundays and my first exposure to AH (both Austria-Hungary and Alternate History, really) were that my dad played beer league soccer for a team called "Austro-Hungaria" which was predominately Czech- Slovak- and Ukrainian Canadians (but everyone in the empire was represented! First time I heard the name Atila).
Edit: also all i was saying is that Canada is an example of a multiethnic federal constitutional monarchy, did not mean to derail the thread about immigration to Canada.
We could just as easily use Spain or Belgium (or closer to home, Yugoslavia)
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I honestly think migration from Austria-Hungary to Canada was just starting to pick up before it was cut off by the First World War, as Canada became a more desirable destination and as migration become more affordable for residents of the Hapsburg monarchy.
The timings of this will matter in the football world.
I understand most of you care little about A-H football, but I care enough to make up for it.
We previously discussed how FIFA (during the period where the Home Nations were not members) rejected Bohemia's membership as they lacked a distinct parliament.
So if a national diet is created, in theory neither Hungary nor Austria (and none of the other component units) are eligible for FIFA membership which means almost certainly the best team in Europe.
However, depending on the timing, they could grandfather Hungary just as they did when the Home Nations returned to FIFA in 1950.
I suspect, as you mentioned in the previous thread, that there would be separate leagues for the component nations (just as in the UK), but it's also possible they develop a top division that draws from all regions, or two separate Austrian and Hungarian leagues, as both portions had their own football leagues before WWI. (But a Czech league did not develop until the 1920s).
Since it took suspect refereeing for Italy to beat Austria in 1934 in the semis and a replay to beat the Czechs in the final, 1934 is Austria's World Cup to lose. And then Hungary reached the final in 1938!
Either are grandfathered or we could see something like a home nations tournament to choose the all Austrian national team ( like Cuba made it for baseball)
I think so. A Trial monarchy would give the Croatians justification for a team; if not they remain split between Hungary and Austria - two very powerful teams within Europe.
A unified Danubian Federation would also have hosted the World Cup at least once by now.
It would remain split unless FIFA did something stupid per tradition.
And is Austria,no one called it Danubia, Austria was the synonym of all the Habsburg hereditary lands.
Ukrainian Canadian internment - Wikipedia
OP said that WWI was in stalemate and World War II never happens.
With that being said I think Canada and AH will probably need breathing room to get their shit together in the 1920s mean that they are likely won't be as immigration to Canada like in OTL.
I think Galician, Doukhobors and EE won't be as big or smaller than OTL Canada population cause of the hostility during WW1.
Nice story durante and also Modern Danubian in Sports will be the OP as fuck in the World Championship
Well if that your intentions then I am sorry about that and I hope that you forgive for that.
Of course we're going to see how that in a modern AH and we have historical insight to discuss it even more than with compared with Canada
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And? What does that have to do with pre-war sentiment? I'll point out Germans were also interned in Canada during WWI, and they were considered to be some of the most desirable immigrants pre-war. If you want to argue the pre-war population flow wouldn't resume post-war that's one thing (and it'd be a position I'm inclined to agree with*) but you asserted Canada had previously been opposed to Eastern European immigrants, which was not at all the case.
*historically Canada did not resume taking immigrants from Germany until 1924 and the same would likely go for a surviving A-H. Additionally there was a swell of Ukraine-phobia during the First Red Scare which, so long as the USSR still forms, is likely to still happen. Further, Canada's interwar economic slowdown is pretty much guaranteed to still happen, greatly reducing interest in moving to Canada in the first place.
Can we still talk about the culture and what it look like in Modern AH?
because it will be interesting to talk about especially when Danubian has a Diverse Culture for nearly Half of Century and what will the AH Identity will act/look like
because it will be interesting to talk about especially when Danubian has a Diverse Culture for nearly Half of Century and what will the AH Identity will act/look like
Apart from linguistics (which I don't want to go into), there's not much to discuss about that, imo. Through urbanisation and the development of civic society, cultural differences across the empire would gradually fade, leaving behind mere shallow flavours as distinction. Ofcourse, this dilution of cultures would also be accompanied by a mixing of customs and values (also thanks to urbanisation and integral migration) of the different parts of the Monarchy, which would allow the development unique societal/cultural bonds tying the nations of Danubia together. This process was already well underway even IOTL.
I do believe that the labour movement and social-democratic values would be the things that would eventually mend the schism between Bohemian Czechs and Bohemian Germans. Then with Austria Proper remaining a bastion of liberals and conservatives, the desire of a unified Bohemian Crownlands separate from Austria could develop among the general Bohemian population regardless of language.
The strengthening of the left would have profound effects in Hungary as well. The ruling elite would initialise a policy of appeasement towards the minorities of the country. Keeping the socialists out of power would take priority over continued magyarisation (which already proved to be a failure in the countryside). This would work for a decade or two, but once the minorities realise the weight of their votes, they would start siding with the highest bider. The incorporation of Bosnia into Croatia, the Croatian separation from Hungary and the establishment of Transylvanian autonomy would all be the product of the political battles resulting from these developments. Like this, Hungary would gradually develop a bipartisan system with strong third party elements (kinda like the UK, now that I think about it).
The developments in Galicia would be somewhat similar to Hungary, or I don't know. I haven't really thought about it.
That's true, I suppose, albeit the bust of the 1870s could be said to be something similar. Still, a Great Depression-analogue of TTL however can not only show the weaknesses of the Austro-Hungarian system, but it could also increase the desire and will for reform. Such event could become the catalyst that sets Austria-Hungary on the road of federalisation, for example through the empowerment of the Austro-Hungarian delegation council and the common Ministry of Finance.
I had the idea that the central promotion of a robust welfare state and the financing of ambitious infrastructure projects (like the discussed HSR network) could serve as yet another pillar uniting the nations and states of the Habsburg Realm.
So while welfare itself would generally be a member state level responsibility, it would uphold a certain level of quality all across the Confederation. I'm thinking something along the lines of the current German system.
On that note, WW1 ITTL would end in the Winter of 1917-'18.
The development of a Danubian identity wouldn't replace ethnic and state identities, it would compliment it. Just think about the modern European identity. It exists and it's strong in many places, but it didn't supplant national identities.
What does that mean?
Yes, it evolves from the Austro-Hungarian intergovernmental committee/council of delegations. It gets empowered at some point and some time latter it tranforms from a crowd of appointees into a proper legislative body.
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The first changes would be in the first half of the 1900s, but most events would be railroaded to lead to a more or less identical outbreak of the war compared to OTL.
I suppose it would be more fair to the World if there would be no unified Danubian team
.Noone called it Danubia ...yet. On another note, Austria most certainly wasn't the synonym for all the Habsburg lands.
I suppose it would be more fair to the World if there would be no unified Danubian team
Reference to how deadly a unified Austria-Hungary would be at football. You're right, it's more fair for the world if there are at least two teams.
And I believe there would be. They originally competed as separate teams, so I imagine Hungary would be grandfathered once an Imperial Diet is formed.
For Croatia or Bohemia, they would be unlikely to get FIFA approval unless they have are part of a Trial Kingdom. Once there is an Imperial Diet, they would be considered one nation by FIFA.
This could also play an important role in developing a national identity - if a new Federal Austria emerges, and then they win the World Cup in 1934 or 1938 - does anyone remember the "Black, Blanc, Beur" meme from the winning 1998 French team?
"Austro, Slav, Champions" or something along those lines could develop. And the concordant national myth of "the perfect mix".
This is of course very much counter the trend of OTL 1920s ethnonationalism, which would make their successes stand out all the more.
In this regard, Wien may come to be seen sort of like a "New York of Europe", (as another poster suggested) where ethnicities mix and interact and create a new melting-pot identity, "Austrian"
Although Vienna would be far from alone in this regard.