Delay European Industrialization

Inspired by the thread about Roman Industrialization; can we do it backwards and derail European Industrialization with a PoD in the 17th century?

Obviously you'd need to decapitate the English Textile Industry, and reduce the markets Europe can put capital into. Another important necessity is prevent agricultural advances in England and the Low Countries, reducing populations and keeping subsistence farmers around and this destroying the class of urban workers that drove industrialization.

However, the restrictions are that you can't change anything before the 17th century, and the Europeans still need to control the New World. They can be shut out from Indian Ocean Trade and lose colonies outside of the New World, however.

Can this be done? Could a combination of a stagnant English society and a lack of enough capital cause the Industrial Revolution to be cancelled? If so, could a similar Age of Enlightenment still happen, and would European colonization of the New World continue despite not having the advantages of an industrial society?

Assuming the Europeans get booted out of the Spice trade, could India industrialize itself? Or will all of these changes only delay European Industrialization by a couple decades?
 
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Perhaps a longer series of religious wars? And civil war between Catholics and Protestants in England. A leveler and digger revolt.

Combine that with non-stop warfare on the continent, flagging success in the East Indies and money wasted fighting pointless continental and colonial wars. You could drain the intellectual and physical capital enough that there is no Age of Enlightenment, and the other various factors in place that led to industrialization are butterflied away.
 
the industrial revolution was fed by the worker surplus that moved to the cities since the agricultural revolution.
you have to delay the implementation (or spread) of the dutch innovations to agriculture like the 4 field system and the new advanced plow to britain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution.

maybe avoiding the glorious revolution will mean less chance the dutch get hired to spread their agri knowledge in the uk?
 
the industrial revolution was fed by the worker surplus that moved to the cities since the agricultural revolution.
you have to delay the implementation (or spread) of the dutch innovations to agriculture like the 4 field system and the new advanced plow to britain
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Agricultural_Revolution.

maybe avoiding the glorious revolution will mean less chance the dutch get hired to spread their agri knowledge in the uk?
That's my thinking as well. Perhaps you could also have the Netherlands ravaged by war/plague so there's less pressure to improve agricultural techniques to feed everyone.

The conditions would still be there to industrialize, but if you combine the above lack of labor with a loss of capital from some sort of collapse of trade goods from the East, you could prevent Industrialization.
 
That's my thinking as well. Perhaps you could also have the Netherlands ravaged by war/plague so there's less pressure to improve agricultural techniques to feed everyone.

The conditions would still be there to industrialize, but if you combine the above lack of labor with a loss of capital from some sort of collapse of trade goods from the East, you could prevent Industrialization.
unlikely, the whole agri change thing wasn't as much a revolution as an evolution over centuries.
and the moment the development started it was ravaged by plague, the infamous black death already (yes it went back that far)
It appearance is going to be difficult to stop, best to concentrate on ways of slowing the spread of it outside the low countries
 
unlikely, the whole agri change thing wasn't as much a revolution as an evolution over centuries.
and the moment the development started it was ravaged by plague, the infamous black death already (yes it went back that far)
It appearance is going to be difficult to stop, best to concentrate on ways of slowing the spread of it outside the low countries
I know it stretches back a while, and technological innovation never really stops. But if the situation in the Netherlands change enough, perhaps the agricultural practices do not evolve to be quite as advanced so quickly, and then the spread is also contained so there are two things blocking an agricultural revolution.
 
- Keep the Netherlands and Belgium separated (done in OTL);
- Destroy the British Empire as soon as it starts to take shape and avoid English naval supremacy (the French? the Spanish?);
 
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