Decisive Darkness: What if Japan hadn't surrendered in 1945?

[The Red]

The KMT were a LOT more rotten than people seem to realise. I don't think there's a really plausible way for it to survive the civil war short of American intervention in the Republic of Vietnam writ large. The Chinese Civil War was not a close thing despite appearances.

It's worth mentioning that the Americans were actually a lot more involved in the Chinese Civil War then in OTL, although the CCP restarting the civil war here helped as well. The KMT were on the backfoot from the very beginning and thus didn't have the time to launch any disastrous offensives of their own. It's worth mentioning that by the present day the wheels have come off their regime and they've had to acquiesce to something resembling actual democracy, so not all plain sailing.

Also when will we see moar red Hitler?!

Hopefully by the end of the week, usual computer nonsense notwithstanding.

 

[Marisa Kiridifferent]

It's not something I've given much thought, although given the cooler nature of ITTL's Cold War I'd say it's unlikely.

But is there still army groups staring each other across the Inter-German border?Just wondering how military doctrines form ITTL.

Not at all, that sounds interesting!

if i can get my lazy ass writing it

My idea is a National Geographic journalist touring Japan,inspired by @Tsar of New Zealand 's map(looks like a NatGeo supplementary) but i don't really know the specific how.Would be nice if you can help.

 

[The Red]

But is there still army groups staring each other across the Inter-German border?Just wondering how military doctrines form ITTL.

I think that by the present most of that would have been scaled down, these sort of stand-offs are expensive after all. I guess Nena would be happy that not everyone's a Superhero or Captain Kirk ITTL. The inner German border itself has probably been relaxed, the economic impact isn't really beneficial for either side.

My idea is a National Geographic journalist touring Japan,inspired by @Tsar of New Zealand 's map(looks like a NatGeo supplementary) but i don't really know the specific how.Would be nice if you can help.

That's a good idea, don't really know much about the Nat Geo format but as always I'm happy to answer any questions.

 

[The Red]

If I were to do a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

 

[Mr Director]

I'd like to see Fifth Japan aka Best Japan.

 

[HanEmpire]

If I were to a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

I'd like to see one about the commieland Japanese.

 

[Grand Prince Paul II.]

If I were to a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

I vote for more insight into Objectivist Tōhoku, the most unusual Japan.

 

[Marisa Kiridifferent]

Living conditions in RoJ and WPDJ

 

[Nivek]

I vote for more insight into Objectivist Tōhoku, the most unusual Japan.

the same for me.

 

[Historyman 14]

If I were to do a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

The surviving Pre-War Culture, and faith in any of them. (RoJ and Wokers Japan, but Kyushu could be cool if only to see what things are like in Kyushu since is is one big Army Base.)

 

[pieman97405]

I'd like a look into the Japans. The US territory in particular in my case.

 

[Tsar of New Zealand]

If I were to do a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

A day in the life of Objectivist Japan after the 2011 quakes would be horrifying fun.

Otherwise, the WPDJ should be a good wheeze. Be interesting to see Nobuhito's descendants rubbing elbows with the Politburo and Comintern.

 

[Kerguelen]

I want to see a post that will mention this guy because he looks like 100% Fifth Japan material.

 

[Nivek]

I want to see a post that will mention this guy because he looks like 100% Fifth Japan material.

As learning the reality of a military regime and now trully was..he would be disappointed and jaded...that can write itself...

 

[Beedok]

I want to see a post that will mention this guy because he looks like 100% Fifth Japan material.

I like that they still put up a prize in literature after his coup attempt.

 

[Deleted member 92121]

All of the Japans look really interesting. Free Japan, the WPDJ, the Republic of Japan, and the Natiobalist fifth Japan are all fascinating. Would love to see a deeper exploration of their societies.

Also, a question, sorry if this has arleady been awnsered, haven't returned to this thread in a while. HOW stablished is the fifth Japan in modern culture? Where's their powerbase in popularity? Do they have some sort of legal official group that fights for a peaceful restoration while the IJA does the work behind the covers? I imagine that Free Japan would be the ideal place for them to spread their ideology, as the Republic of Japan, the WPDJ and the American territory would be a big no no for any kind of nationalist militarist talk.

Also interested to see how they deal with monarchism. Nobuhito ended up a powerful figure in a socialist regime, so would the fifth Japan actually support a imperial restoration with his descendants?

 

[Grand Prince Paul II.]

Also interested to see how they deal with monarchism. Nobuhito ended up a powerful figure in a socialist regime, so would the fifth Japan actually support a imperial restoration with his descendants?

The junta regarded him as traitor.

Moving Mountains

The junta were aware that if they to be taken seriously as potential partners in the reconstruction of Japan they could no longer lie. Ishido had been ordered to finally reveal the truth that most of the world already suspected was true, Emperor Hirohito was dead, as was his brother. Though the rumours were strongly believed at the time, the confirmation was nonetheless significant. Cramer even inferred an apology when American atomic bombs were blamed for both deaths. The news was overcome only by the confusion of who the Emperor now was. Did the junta recognise Nobuhtito as regent? Naturally they did not, Nobuhito was a traitor. The true son of heaven, the leader of all Japanese in this darkest moment of history, was a baby of little more than four months old.

 

[Deleted member 92121]

Well, so Nabuhito isn't a option,but there's other possible contenders. Good for the nationalists. That baby is no longer a baby by 2016, and i imagine that a imperial restoration would be on the top of the IJA list. A powerful imperial figure to unite the people of Japan, the youth disillusioned with the corrupt and opressive republican "puppet" they live in, or the socialist dictatorship, or the capitalist corporatist nightmare, or the american occupied territory. Not hard to paint any of the Japans in a very bad light.

 

[The Red]

Also, a question, sorry if this has arleady been awnsered, haven't returned to this thread in a while. HOW stablished is the fifth Japan in modern culture? Where's their powerbase in popularity? Do they have some sort of legal official group that fights for a peaceful restoration while the IJA does the work behind the covers? I imagine that Free Japan would be the ideal place for them to spread their ideology,

The IJA does have various front organisations that they use to acquire money, weapons, and a sympathetic voice. They are all based in the Free Territory.

Although the actual areas of IJA "control" exist in the mountainous regions of central Japan the RoJ tends to ban any group that is explicitly or even implicitly sympathetic towards The Fifth Japan. The Free Territory is also wary of these groups but freedom of speech is one of the few tenents that has been rigorously upheld since the 1946 revolution. If they start banning groups they dislike then people might start to question why so many corporations are allowed to run rampant without restraint.

Also interested to see how they deal with monarchism. Nobuhito ended up a powerful figure in a socialist regime, so would the fifth Japan actually support a imperial restoration with his descendants?

The Fifth Japan supports imperial restoration though all of Nobuhito's descendants have been struck off as traitors. They've sort of come to see the Sakoku policy as a golden age of Japanese history, they want a Japan that has little to no foreign connections with an Emperor who acts as a spiritual puppet of those who are truly in charge.

 

[Timaeus]

If I were to do a vignette or two about the Five Japans is there any one in particular that people would like to see?

Filipino corporations and leftist sympathizers in Objectivist Japan!