Decisive Darkness: What if Japan hadn't surrendered in 1945?

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Marisa Kiridifferent

Marisa Kiridifferent

Apologies @The Red,i know you're working on Our Struggle (which i also watched avidly),but re-reading this i have some few other questions.

How long does it takes for the US to pacify the Japanese holdouts?Late 40s?Mid 50s?

How's nuclear proliferation ITTL?Not only The Bomb(although many would want it more..or not) but in the power generating sense too.Is Korea,Phillipines and Vietnam has lots of reactors like Japan?

How's the relations between the Japanese-Americans and the Civil Rights Movement?Are there some who became quite radicalized,like Yuri Kochiyama IOTL for instance?
 

The Red

Yosaphat Agni said:
Apologies @The Red,i know you're working on Our Struggle (which i also watched avidly),but re-reading this i have some few other questions.
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No problem! Hope you're enjoying Our Struggle. :)

Yosaphat Agni said:
How long does it takes for the US to pacify the Japanese holdouts?Late 40s?Mid 50s?
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I imagine most would be gone by the Mid 50s, though isolated individuals would probably still be around for a good while longer.

Yosaphat Agni said:
How's nuclear proliferation ITTL?Not only The Bomb(although many would want it more..or not) but in the power generating sense too.Is Korea,Phillipines and Vietnam has lots of reactors like Japan?
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In terms of the bomb there are less countries that have it as in OTL, with the Cold War having never really gone away there's less of an urge for nations to try and exert themselves individually.

In regards to energy I can't see many more countries having them than in our world though as you might have guessed the RoJ isn't allowed to have reactors.

Yosaphat Agni said:
How's the relations between the Japanese-Americans and the Civil Rights Movement?Are there some who became quite radicalized,like Yuri Kochiyama IOTL for instance?
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A lot of mutual sympathy but little real coordination, the radicals are a different story but they'd likely remain at the fringes as in OTL.
 
Marisa Kiridifferent

Marisa Kiridifferent

The Red said:
No problem! Hope you're enjoying Our Struggle. :)
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Of course,although i'm just wait and see at this point.

The Red said:
I imagine most would be gone by the Mid 50s, though isolated individuals would probably still be around for a good while longer.
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And without a stable Japan,no one would care about them afterwards.I kinda wonder if "Anami" might actually enter the vocabulary as a slang for someone who is really pigheaded,intransigent and oblivious as a poster suggested back then.

The Red said:
with the Cold War having never really gone away
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How's the Cold War situation right now?Is it detente,with the US and USSR cooperating on several matters(Well Daesh is a thing ITTL so there's one thing they can agree upon)
 

The Red

Yosaphat Agni said:
How's the Cold War situation right now?Is it detente,with the US and USSR cooperating on several matters(Well Daesh is a thing ITTL so there's one thing they can agree upon)
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Adversarial still but rather more relaxed than things used to be, Korea and Vietnam have proved to be decent go-betweens.
 
Marisa Kiridifferent

Marisa Kiridifferent

How's Eastern Europe?Still under Soviet domination?

Also,how's Iran?There's a mention of the Mahabad Republic and Azerbajiani People's Government surviving.
 
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HanEmpire

Korea under the People's Republic will likely be a lot more liberal and open than the OTL Democratic People's Republic nightmare. Lyuh was said to have been a moderate, open to compromise and cooperation with both left and right. Plus this Korea is fully unified and is next to a fractured China and destroyed Japan, rather than living in a ceasefire next to an existential threat. I can imagine that it's comfortable enough to diplomatically reach out to other powers, or at least act as the moderate voice.
 
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Whiteshore

Whiteshore

How common was cannibalism of dead American internees in Japan? Surely some crazy Japanese officer must have come up with the idea that "if the internees are useless as bargaining chips or human shields, surely they'd be more useful as food for our increasingly hungry soldiers" or something along that lines?
 

Masteroftheuniverse

Whiteshore said:
How common was cannibalism of dead American internees in Japan? Surely some crazy Japanese officer must have come up with the idea that "if the internees are useless as bargaining chips or human shields, surely they'd be more useful as food for our increasingly hungry soldiers" or something along that lines?
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The Japanese engaged in a fair bit of cannibalism OTL, so I can't imagine they'd give it up when they're in a situation where it might actually be useful.
 

Lost Freeway

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Whiteshore said:
How common was cannibalism of dead American internees in Japan? Surely some crazy Japanese officer must have come up with the idea that "if the internees are useless as bargaining chips or human shields, surely they'd be more useful as food for our increasingly hungry soldiers" or something along that lines?
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Sadly common, I'd bet.
 

MKSheppard

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Raijin

”Varuna has made a highway for the sun to go over. O thou wise spirit and king, loosen our sins!"

~ Rigveda

”Every little breeze seems to whisper Louise”

~ Dean Martin

In 1274, and 1281 Japan had stood at the mercy of a mighty foreign power preparing to cross the ocean. Though brave, the Japanese knew that the hordes of Kublai Khan bettered them in both numbers and in quality, and that if the Mongols could cross the Asian mainland to the Japanese home islands then conquest would be assured. However they would not cross, as Raijin, Japan’s protective God of Thunder sat atop the clouds and hurled lightning bolts at the incoming fleets, destroying them before they could defeat the Japanese, crippled by the ‘Divine Wind’ by which the Japanese now nicknamed their suicide aircraft, a supposed spiritual successor to Japan’s divine protectors. However it was folly to believe they could match the God of Thunder himself, in October he would remind them of their arrogance.

Typhoon Louise had first been spotted on October the 2nd as she formed around the Caroline Islands. Initially ignored, her unexpected turn north was not met with much concern as she slowed down, only to intensify, to the horror of American meteorologists, as she passed over Okinawa on October 9th. The staging area for the invasion of Kyushu, thought to have largely avoided the harsh weather seasons, was now struck with 140 mph winds. The typhoon passed and returned over the island for three days, wrecking almost every building above ground, rendering over a million troops and personnel homeless in the process. Dozens of ships awaiting the invasion were forced ashore only to be pounded into scrap by the huge waves of the storm. Dozens of planes were smashed, torn from their runways in impromptu flights, before being hurled back to Earth. By the time it was safe for medical ships to arrive, 4000 were dead, and several thousand more were seriously wounded, with bodies clinging onto wreckage still being washed onto the beaches of Buckner Bay. From the wreckage and the horror came the already clear conclusion, with dozens of ships and hundreds of aircraft destroyed or damaged, the invasion of Kyushu could not occur in November. It was estimated that it could take as long as 45 days to repair the Typhoon’s damage, delaying Olympic to just before Christmas.

In normal circumstances this would have been unacceptable, moving back Olympic ultimately meant moving back Operation Coronet, the invasion of southern Honshu, from early March to mid-April, far too close to the monsoon season, and the serious restrictions on a ground campaign that came with it. Whilst it was clear the Japanese had focused most of their efforts on the defence of Kyushu, a fight in flooded fields, with air superiority hindered from cloud cover should have been unacceptable and indeed was the reason that the Kyushu invasion had been moved ahead by a month to begin with. However these were not normal circumstances, American prestige had been badly weakened by the Soviet invasion from the invasion, and the need to land some troops, somewhere, where they could be adequately covered from the air, remained the most pressing concern. Despite even more emboldened protests by King and Nimitz, Truman indicated that they would press on. American engineers had worked miracles before, Truman was sure they could work them again. Meanwhile the Anami government, convinced that they had witnessed an actual miracle, thanked the God’s for their divine providence.

Their troops merely thanked them for the reprieve, before they continued to dig, and prepare for their enemies own, manmade, Typhoon.
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Deleted member 92121

I've been reading the "Our Struggle" TL and it brought me here. Just finished it and i've to say, this is superb. Very captivating and well writen. Bought it on Kindle as well and i regret nothing!! Keep up the good work Red, and congratulations on this achievement
 

Tsar of New Zealand

At long last, I've finished the map I promised about six months ago: thesis got in the way. Still, you folks don't want excuses, you want a map, and so without further ado I give you Japan and Korea ITTL 2017:
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Full view visible here:
https://bolshiekiwi.deviantart.com/art/Decisive-Darkness-2017-669063623
 
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