Decisive Darkness: A Morning Reborn [Korea]

August 15, 1945. 04:00. Bupyong, Korea.

Chai Byung-duk was quite a large man. As a matter of fact, being 5’5’’ and weighing 136 kilograms, it was often hard for him to move his massive weight around. Although unfortunate, he was called “elephant” by fellow Koreans and would later be known as “fatty” by Americans after they arrived in Korea and saw Chai. It was thus understandable that it was extremely hard for him to move his body from bed when he heard the phone ring. He stretched his arm towards the general direction but still could not reach; with a grunt, he flopped over to his side and grabbed the phone.

“Hello?”

“It has happened.”

Chai wondered who on earth was calling at this late an hour. Being thoroughly annoyed, he couldn’t care less if he swore or not.

“The fuck is ‘it’? Why are you calling at this hour? Who the hell is this?”

The answer was hurried, as if there wasn’t much time.

“This is Cho*, from the Alliance. Japan has surrendered. We are given authority as the new government. We need armed forces and now.”

Still groggy from sleep, Chai decided to call his bluff.

“Cho Dong-ho, what the hell. You’re drunk. Go home and sleep. I’ll see ya tomorrow.”

“Your help is urgent. God damn it Chai, we have 3 days until the Japanese government leaves Korea! All Jap** forces need to be rounded up right now!”

Hearing some curses made Chai slightly more awake. He tried to sit up, but his body decided against it.

“So Korea has become independent?”

“What!?”

His wife, shocked, looked at him with mouth agape. Chai looked exasperatedly at her.

“Hush, woman!”

Cho answered him, also excited, but hurryingly nonetheless.

“Yes, Korea is now independent, but we need a government that can fully take control of the peninsula after the colonial government leaves. Your help is most needed right now, Chai. You are head of the Inchon arsenal, the largest one in Korea; we will be establishing the first modern Korean army and it needs its weapons.”

Chai flipped one more time on his stomach and now had one foot on the floor. He squinted desperately at the dark trying to find his uniform.

“Where are you at right now?”

“Seoul. Lyuh is heading a meeting for all major members of the Alliance in 5 minutes.”

Although the room was still pitch black, Chai could see the glory of independence slowly rise above the horizon. He basked in its radiance. Great things are happening, he thought.

“I’ll be down at the arsenal***. Tell me where you need the supplies.”

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*: OTL Chai was frequently contacted by many independence fighters for his position within the Japanese military. This included Cho.
**: forgive me for using a derogatory term for the Japanese. I simply believed it more possible that they refer to them as "Japs" rather than "the Japanese" at such context.
***: Inchon Army Arsenal. Usually produces rifles, ammunition, sidearms, grenades and trucks. Production capacity at 4000 rifles, 20,000 sidearms, 700,000 ammunition, 30,000 artillery shells and 200 trucks per month. Can also produce submarines since 1944.
 
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Chai Byung-duk was quite a large man. As a matter of fact, being 5’5’’ and weighing 136 kilograms, it was often hard for him to move his massive weight around. Although unfortunate, he was called “elephant” by fellow Koreans and would later be known as “fatty” by Americans after they arrived in Korea and saw Chai. It was thus understandable that it was extremely hard for him to move his body from bed when he heard the phone ring. He stretched his arm towards the general direction but still could not reach; with a grunt, he flopped over to his side and grabbed the phone.

“Hello?”

“It has happened.”

Chai wondered who on earth was calling at this late an hour. Being thoroughly annoyed, he couldn’t care less if he swore or not.

“The fuck is ‘it’? Why are you calling at this hour? Who the hell is this?”

The answer was hurried, as if there wasn’t much time.

“This is Cho*, from the Alliance. Japan has surrendered. We are given authority as the new government. We need armed forces and now.”

Still groggy from sleep, Chai decided to call his bluff.

“Cho Dong-ho, what the hell. You’re drunk. Go home and sleep. I’ll see ya tomorrow.”

“Your help is urgent. God damn it Chai, we have 3 days until the Japanese government leaves Korea! All Jap** forces need to be rounded up right now!”

Hearing some curses made Chai slightly more awake. He tried to sit up, but his body decided against it.

“So Korea has become independent?”

What!?

His wife, shocked, looked at him with mouth agape. Chai looked exasperatedly at her.

“Hush, woman!”

Cho answered him, also excited, but hurryingly nonetheless.

“Yes, Korea is now independent, but we need a government that can fully take control of the peninsula after the colonial government leaves. Your help is most needed right now, Chai. You are head of the Inchon arsenal, the largest one in Korea; we will be establishing the first modern Korean army and it needs its weapons.”

Chai flipped one more time on his stomach and now had one foot on the floor. He squinted desperately at the dark trying to find his uniform.

“Where are you at right now?”

“Seoul. Lyuh is heading a meeting for all major members of the Alliance in 5 minutes.”

Although the room was still pitch black, Chai could see the glory of independence slowly rise above the horizon. He basked in its radiance. Great things are happening, he thought.

“I’ll be down at the arsenal***. Tell me where you need the supplies.”

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*: OTL Chai was frequently contacted by many independence fighters for his position within the Japanese military. This included Cho.
**: forgive me for using a derogatory term for the Japanese. I simply believed it more possible that they refer to them as "Japs" rather than "the Japanese" at such context.
***: Inchon Army Arsenal. Usually produces rifles, ammunition, sidearms, grenades and trucks. Production capacity at 4000 rifles, 20,000 sidearms, 700,000 ammunition, 30,000 artillery shells and 200 trucks per month. Can also produce submarines since 1944.


Great stuff! Though if I could give a little word of advice, it's generally best not to post updates right at the end of a page.
 
Great update and....

Chai Byung-duk was quite a large man. As a matter of fact, being 5’5’’ and weighing 136 kilograms, it was often hard for him to move his massive weight around. Although unfortunate, he was called “elephant” by fellow Koreans and would later be known as “fatty” by Americans after they arrived in Korea and saw Chai.

Is this giving us hope that Korea won't be occupied by the Soviets for a seriously long time and doesn't become a fully Commie state?
 
I'll stop reading this spinoff series if it happens; cannon dictates Korea is under Soviet control.

the latest post that mentions Korea says that it is under "tentative" control; excuse me for being so interpretive, but "tentative" can mean that the soviets do not have Korea fully under their control.
Also, if the way this thread goes seems reasonable, I'm sure Red can fix his past posts. I can also easily do the same to mine, if the idea seems too unreasonable or implausible.
 
I'll stop reading this spinoff series if it happens; cannon dictates Korea is under Soviet control.

Indeed. Really, there's no way it could be otherwise. The Americans were able to quickly - well, relatively quickly - land in the south because of Japan's surrender.

Here, they don't have that option. And tentative could mean, for example, that the Soviet presence is limited to the major cities and main transportation nodes. It would still be an effective occupation, in my mind, and if they needed to they could quickly move in more troops and equipment. They've had seven months, now...
 

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the latest post that mentions Korea says that it is under "tentative" control; excuse me for being so interpretive, but "tentative" can mean that the soviets do not have Korea fully under their control.

There are Soviet troops in Korea. Even if the Soviets don't have "full" control, they will by the end of the war, because Stalin isn't pulling out those troops unless there's a large scale war.

Best case scenario you're presenting us is a Korea occupied by the Soviets while a "free Korea" resistance movement grows, only to later be bloodily crushed under the Soviet heel.
 
the latest post that mentions Korea says that it is under "tentative" control; excuse me for being so interpretive, but "tentative" can mean that the soviets do not have Korea fully under their control.
Also, if the way this thread goes seems reasonable, I'm sure Red can fix his past posts. I can also easily do the same to mine, if the idea seems too unreasonable or implausible.

By 'tentative' I meant that whilst the Soviets were occupying all of Korea it hadn't been agreed whether this status quo would remain the case in the long term.
 
There are Soviet troops in Korea. Even if the Soviets don't have "full" control, they will by the end of the war, because Stalin isn't pulling out those troops unless there's a large scale war.

Best case scenario you're presenting us is a Korea occupied by the Soviets while a "free Korea" resistance movement grows, only to later be bloodily crushed under the Soviet heel.

Like Hungary in 56. Or Czechoslovakia 68.
 
August 15, 1945. 04:10. Seoul, Korea.

Cho put the phone down and hurriedly went back into the main room. The meeting was commencing in Lyuh’s residence; although many anticipated his stance to be pro-Japanese by this time, his frugal lifestyle proved it illogical to conclude that he was bribed. Even the phone was an unnecessary luxury. In other words, the room Lyuh and his Alliance was having the meeting in was so miserably small that members had to sit outside the room and listen. Nobody at the meeting, however, really cared about how small the room was; neither did they actually care that it was still extremely early in the morning. Before Lyuh even tried to speak, someone from outside the room shouted,

“You were right! You were right all along!”

Everybody turned to look at who it was. It was Lyuh’s long-time friend, Lee Man-kyu. The man was overjoyed and was brimming with tears. Korean independence had beyond the greatest news he had expected; like all intellects, the gut feeling that Korea would never escape Japan’s grasp was slowly coming to him by now*. He briefly looked around and talked directly to Lyuh.

“You always said that Japan was fated to lose when it entered the war with China! I cannot believe this! Those poor Japs! Nobody believed you when you tried to persuade and warn them; not even we did! This is-”

“My good man, I wish we can just talk in joy over Korea’s independence,” Lyuh cut him.

“But we got work to do. Serious work to the greatest extent; with what we have, which is basically from scratch, we need to replace the colonial government in three days. And this requires concentration, conviction and cooperation beyond what you have. If I should reemphasize my last point: there is no left or right wing in independence. All help each other; don’t even try to make power bases for your political party. This goes for all factions- nationalists, socialists, communists, anarchists, whatever. We may even need to use pro-Japanese Koreans for a while; they may be collaborators, but we need their skill and experience. Hopefully all of them are smart enough that they’ll listen to us. Anyway, just note- although I hope this all crossed your minds by now- contact all regional core members to assume control over each region. The colonial government is already packing up to go. If there are some pro-Japanese Koreans who were already in some local office and want to look like they’re boss, tell them that the new Korean government will deal with them with help from the Americans**. That’ll make them shit their pants.”

A few chuckled. Lyuh went on.

“Song and I conversed yesterday- actually, like 6 hours ago- and we made a few agreements to ease things out before us. First, we will make a government now. This means that before anyone arrives from abroad, be it the Koreans in exile or the Americans or whatever, we need to have an operating system of government waiting for them. All they should need to do is take the wheel. This brings me to my second agreement- this government is headed by Kim Gu. We represent the Provisional Government that has been without a country for so long. Well, they have one now. And we’re going to make it best for them. Because of our situation, we can’t call ourselves any department or part of office yet; the Provisional Government doesn’t even know we’re now independent***. Because of that, we need to set up- an organisation, a bureau, a-a committee. Something that, although formal, does not require prior assents from the Provisional Government for establishment and can be subordinate to them when they arrive. By the way, what should we call ourselves? Korea’s now independent, and there’s no reason to call it an Alliance any further. Liberation is here and now. We need to change our name to celebrate our great victory.”

Ahn Jae-hong looked at him. Lyuh motioned at him to speak. Ahn spoke up. His voice rang clearly even to members outside the room.

“We are now loose from shackles the Empire of Japan had forced upon us; we are once again Korea, the Great Han. No longer will it be fit to call ourselves Joseon. And what is our objective? It is to bring forth what the new world filled with the glory of liberation and victory has for us. We will rebuild a new Korea from the ruins Japan had left our nation to become. But this cannot properly, fully happen without help from the Provisional Government and the Allied forces. It is therefore right to call our new committee the Preparatory Committee for National Construction of Korea. This is how I see fit.”****

Impressed by the proposal, Lyuh looked around the room.

“Are there any objections to this idea?”


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*: this will be a continuing trend as per OTL, where even the staunchest independence fighters had turned pro-Japanese by then. A famed example includes Yoon Chi-ho, writer of the lyrics of the Korean national anthem and later Korean representative in the Japanese House of Peers.
**: they are not aware of Soviet troops along the northern border.
***: they do by the end of the day, as a future radio broadcast made news spread far faster and wider than expected.
****: he made the name for the Committee OTL.
 
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Adamu referred to 'long time' control, it's not breaking canon to speculate as to what might happen in the future.

Exactly. Whilst Korea may be tentatively under Soviet control as the battle for Kanto gets underway in Japan, many things could happen after the battle is over. Such as American opposition to full Soviet control of Korea or similar - to allow a free Korea (and the stationing of American troops there) there are various things they could do like trading occupation of Manchuria (and thereby creating a different outcome in the Chinese Civil War), giving the Soviets some concessions in Europe or (gasps) allowing them to keep Hokkaido, after all it was only really settled fully in the 19th Century by Japan. Kind of plausible maybe, as the Americans will not have any soft spots for the Japanese after the dust (and gas and fallout :eek: ) settles over there.

Indeed, after the Americans are done with the home island invasion, it's not going to be as easy to rebuild as it was OTL. Needing some bulwark against the expansion of communism in East Asia, it's not a great leap of the imagination to see them choose Korea over Japan ITTL.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out - in Korea and in Japan.
 
There are Soviet troops in Korea. Even if the Soviets don't have "full" control, they will by the end of the war, because Stalin isn't pulling out those troops unless there's a large scale war.

Best case scenario you're presenting us is a Korea occupied by the Soviets while a "free Korea" resistance movement grows, only to later be bloodily crushed under the Soviet heel.

Or you can have the left-wing leader bow to concessions and allow the political institution to survive, while Soviet-supported Kim Il-sung rises in power.
 
Okay, not sure what all the fuss is about. The simple fact is that any TL that has a POD as late as August 1945 is only going to see a large scale American military presence in Korea only IF we had the kind of quick unconditional surrender we saw in OTL while the US has sufficient forces available to send to Korea. Anything else is as much fantasy as the vain hopes for the Western Allies to somehow take and keep greater portions of Germany with a POD that occurs after there was basic Anglo-Soviet agreement on the form of the occupied zones in 1943/1944 or as much fantasy as Roosevelt's hope that the Americans would get to have the northwestern occupation zone in Germany even LOOOONG after the dispositions of the American and British Commonwealth armies had been set for The Normandy invasion (the position of the armies meant that even though the British and Americans or rather the British and Roosevelt could agree on which army would occupy the northwestern zone and which would occupy the southern zone, in practice it was a wasted debate because the British Commonwealth forces would arrive in northwestern Germany and the American forces would arrive in southern Germany once the Normandy invasion forces wheeled about towards the east and Germany).

That said, what many people seem to overlook is that there WILL be American officers in Korea just as how there were American (and British) officers on the Allied Commission for Hungary.

Korea is very likely to follow a mix of the models of Austria (which was considered a victim but was still occupied in order to effect demobilization and de-Nazification), Bornholm (occupied by the Soviets who withdrew later), mainland Denmark (occupied by the British who withdrew later), Hungary (occupied by the Soviets with an Allied Commission), and Finland (not occupied except for a few areas but with an Allied Commission that had a fair bit of control and was composed of 200 Soviet officers and 15 British officers).

Most likely the exact model will be some kind of agreement that draws upon the last Allied conception of what should happen with Korea which was a four-power (USSR, USA, UK and China) trusteeship with as far as I can recall zero role for the provisional government of Korea or indeed any indigenous Korean political organizations - western Allied views of the readiness of Koreans for self government wasn't exactly enlightened in 1945 (which Stalin didn't really like but agreed to; IIRC he was of the opinion that Korea should be given independence ASAP). So most likely a short term trusteeship with an Allied Commission consisting of officers for the four powers but which worked with whatever provisional government is actually in control of Korea (as happened in Austria where the Soviet supported provisional government eventually gained wider Allied acceptance - here we might eventually see a provisional unity government composed of the old Provisional Govt of Korea and whatever Soviet supported civil Korean government came about).

Aside from that I can well imagine that the Americans would want to be able to access air bases in Korea from which to bomb Japan for Operation Coronet and other aerial bombing missions that precede that operation. Much like the American negotiations with Stalin over the establishment of weather stations in Siberia and the use of some air bases in Siberia, these negotiations may be protracted and frustrating but eventually bear some fruit. In fact that might be the way that Stalin gets the Americans to accept a modification to the Trusteeship idea so that the Soviets end up providing the bulk of military forces there and for there to be an official role for the Koreans in the form of a provisional government (especially the Koreans he supported).

So I could see Americans in Korea calling Cho "fatty". The Soviets in Korea would probably call him the Russian equivalent as well.



Exactly. Whilst Korea may be tentatively under Soviet control as the battle for Kanto gets underway in Japan, many things could happen after the battle is over. Such as American opposition to full Soviet control of Korea or similar - to allow a free Korea (and the stationing of American troops there) there are various things they could do like trading occupation of Manchuria (and thereby creating a different outcome in the Chinese Civil War), giving the Soviets some concessions in Europe or (gasps) allowing them to keep Hokkaido, after all it was only really settled fully in the 19th Century by Japan. Kind of plausible maybe, as the Americans will not have any soft spots for the Japanese after the dust (and gas and fallout :eek: ) settles over there.

Indeed, after the Americans are done with the home island invasion, it's not going to be as easy to rebuild as it was OTL. Needing some bulwark against the expansion of communism in East Asia, it's not a great leap of the imagination to see them choose Korea over Japan ITTL.

Will be interesting to see how this plays out - in Korea and in Japan.

Stalin is unlikely to want to absorb Hokkaido into the USSR anymore than he wanted to absorb Czechosolvakia or Hungary.

In fact I don't see how the Americans can bargain with the Soviets as you envisage since they don't really hold the cards you are referring to.
 
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IOTL the USSR was more willing to disengage from countries which were only partially Soviet-occupied (Norway, Denmark, Germany, Austria, Iran) than from countries whose whole territory was in the emerging Soviet sphere.
So far, we have no reason to believe that TTL Soviet Union's policy will be much different, ergo the whole, undivided post-Japanese Korea should remain within the Soviet sphere.

...or (gasps) allowing them to keep Hokkaido, after all it was only really settled fully in the 19th Century by Japan...

Why would the USSR need a permission from America to keep it as a client state?
Hokkaido is a fait accompli and IIRC it was hinted that Soviet military activity in Japan won't be limited to Hokkaido, South Sakhalin and the Kurils.
 
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