DBWI: WWII against fascism not communism

Great Britain would be more directly damaged by the war. Against the Soviets, the superiority of the Royal Navy and the combined air forces of Western Europe largely protected the Home Islands from Russian firepower. A war against fascists, however, would probably be a war against a country closer to Britain, perhaps Germany or France.

I can see the British Empire being crippled by any large-scale war with a neighbouring industrialised country, given the damage of air attacks. Perhaps even enough to cause its collapse, rather than the gradual reforms of the last fifty years or so. Of course, we have the Conservative-BUF coalition to thank for keeping the empire strong and crushing the nationalist terrorist elements in Africa. A pity that we lost India, but it might be for the best that we removed ourselves from that quagmire. It certainly kept Malaya with us, in any case.
 
Great Britain would be more directly damaged by the war. Against the Soviets, the superiority of the Royal Navy and the combined air forces of Western Europe largely protected the Home Islands from Russian firepower. A war against fascists, however, would probably be a war against a country closer to Britain, perhaps Germany or France.

I can see the British Empire being crippled by any large-scale war with a neighbouring industrialised country, given the damage of air attacks. Perhaps even enough to cause its collapse, rather than the gradual reforms of the last fifty years or so. Of course, we have the Conservative-BUF coalition to thank for keeping the empire strong and crushing the nationalist terrorist elements in Africa. A pity that we lost India, but it might be for the best that we removed ourselves from that quagmire. It certainly kept Malaya with us, in any case.

India would be a mess to keep today. Even today things are pretty bad there. They are basically one of the only Communist States left, if they didn't emerge at a time of great economic problems for Europe then we would have probably been able to launch a full scale war. Of course, in reality it is more 'soft socialism' then full on Bolshevism.

Good for you brits though, keeping the Muslim and Sikh parts. It was a good idea to support them over the Hindus. GDP per capita in those areas is so much higher than in the Indian Peoples Republic.

OOC: Earlier posts refer to Japan and the US still being in a Cold War, plus Japan still being a major power.

There could have been a war still, but not on the scale of OTL's.

I heard that the Emperor of Japan wants to abdicate due to old age. Japan has really recovered during his reign from the war. Lucky for them to get a negotiated peace settlement with the United States, and keeping a bug chunk of their Empire. Many Pacific Islands and Korea though they lost Manchuria and some territory in Siberia. Their rapid economic revitalization is stunning. Their new technology focus really worked well.

[OOC: My bad]
 
Good for you brits though, keeping the Muslim and Sikh parts. It was a good idea to support them over the Hindus. GDP per capita in those areas is so much higher than in the Indian Peoples Republic.

Well, not so much 'keep'. We're all technically 'member states' of the British Commonwealth now, because the idea of the old Empire isn't taken so well in Africa and in the aforementioned non-Hindu parts of India. It was difficult enough for the Muslims to accept a Christian monarch as sovereign.
 
Ughh has anyone else noticed recently lots of these (((questions))), bias is being shown clearly against the patriotic struggle.
 
Well, not so much 'keep'. We're all technically 'member states' of the British Commonwealth now, because the idea of the old Empire isn't taken so well in Africa and in the aforementioned non-Hindu parts of India. It was difficult enough for the Muslims to accept a Christian monarch as sovereign.

Well, of course. Economically though, they're still tied to old Albion. The military situation is quite similar IIRC. You in Britain and those there in British non-hindu India are benefiting both from the relationship. Hopefully those in Hindu India realize their mistake. It's sad to see how poor their Nation has become and what it could have been if it had stayed with the Empire.


Ughh has anyone else noticed recently lots of these (((questions))), bias is being shown clearly against the patriotic struggle.

We are all a bit biased, we can still find objectivity. For those who foolish enough to buy into those stupid (((conspiracies))) forget the role of the Avraham Stern and the Jewish Divisions who fought in the Caucuses. The Social National Israeli State today is a great example of Nationalism and Fascism. The thousands of Jews in Ukraine and Poland who resisted the Soviet Union with the Polish Falanga led underground army and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. The Zionists who fought under Mussolini and Balbo! This anti-Jewishness is nothing but a Bolshevik misdirection to divide the Nations and Peoples of Europe.
 
Well, of course. Economically though, they're still tied to old Albion. The military situation is quite similar IIRC. You in Britain and those there in British non-hindu India are benefiting both from the relationship. Hopefully those in Hindu India realize their mistake. It's sad to see how poor their Nation has become and what it could have been if it had stayed with the Empire.




We are all a bit biased, we can still find objectivity. For those who foolish enough to buy into those stupid (((conspiracies))) forget the role of the Avraham Stern and the Jewish Divisions who fought in the Caucuses. The Social National Israeli State today is a great example of Nationalism and Fascism. The thousands of Jews in Ukraine and Poland who resisted the Soviet Union with the Polish Falanga led underground army and the Ukrainian Insurgent Army. The Zionists who fought under Mussolini and Balbo! This anti-Jewishness is nothing but a Bolshevik misdirection to divide the Nations and Peoples of Europe.
Yeah! Fascism is not anti-Semitic though the Nazis were quite anti-Semitic. I heard about this up and coming Nazi Party member named in 1930 named Adolf Hitler who was extremely charismatic, a great orator, and was rising swiftly through the Party's ranks. IIRC, he was an anti-Semite to the extreme - apparently he wanted to launch a wholesale genocide of Europe's Jewish population and other minorities. Luckily the National Socialist Party leader and future Führer, Hermann Goering, arranged for Mr. Hitler to have an "accident". Imagine if Hitler became Führer and not Goering.


OOC: I'm a card carry member of the Patriotic American League and its paramilitary group, the Silver Eagles, who hates the "comparison" between fascism and national socialism that leftists constantly make.
 
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Yeah! Fascism is not anti-Semitic though the Nazis were quite anti-Semitic. I heard about this up and coming Nazi Party member named in 1930 named Adolf Hitler who was extremely charismatic, a great orator, and was rising swiftly through the Party's ranks. IIRC, he was an anti-Semite to the extreme - apparently he wanted to launch a wholesale genocide of Europe's Jewish population and other minorities. Luckily the National Socialist Party leader and future Führer, Hermann Goering, arranged for Mr. Hitler to have an "accident". Imagine if Hitler became Führer and not Goering.


OOC: I'm a card carry member of the Patriotic American League and its paramilitary group, the Silver Eagles, who hates the "comparison" between fascism and national socialism that leftists constantly make.

Goering wasn't the most competant man, but IIRC the NSDAP were basically like a bunch of wackos believing in some borderline occult stuff. Frankly I find it hard to believe the conservative and nationalist German establishment would have worked with them unless they absolutely had to.

The German Soviet war, was an awful mess, but it was Germany that bled the Red Army dry. It's unfortunate but Europe finally saw that being divided and petty was a road to disaster. We had to learn that the hard way, but thank God we did. Since the ETO came into existence Europe has been free of war betwixt ourselves.

[OOC: I agree, Italian Fascism is very different to Hitlerism/National Socialism. I still think it would have been far better for Mussolini to have gone with his gut in 1938 and support Austrian independence against Germany. If only the Wallies had some backbone.]
 
Well, I can't understand why someone would want to defer fighting STALIN.

For the same reason Americans and Brits agreed to defer fighting a whack job like Tojo - someone else was worse. I don't know who, besides a worse Tojo, could be worse; I don't see Germany getting both strong and crazy enough to make that My Struggle writer's ideas about Jews come to life - yeah, people were anti-Semitic, but less "wipe them off the face of the Earth" and more "isolate them and restrict their job choices while calling them nerds." Plus by all accounts, Struggle Boy's main talents were shitty art and rousing speeches. No way does he get anything more than fringe support.

Anyway, assuming Tojo marches through China and Korea, and Western support either isn't there or not enough, the West may go after him first. I understand that the US was preparing more for war with the Japanese than the Russians; War Plan Orange referred to Japan and was Plan A. War Plan Purple ended up being the route America chose, and communism is largely discredited outside small communities, and even then it's called communalism.

I wonder if Stalin would have been as much of an opportunistic bastard as Tojo was. I mean, the Greater Asian Empire (GAE) includes pretty much all of eastern Russia along with Mongolia and all but the Chinese Free State. Over a billion and a half people live under Tokyo's control.
 
Economically though, they're still tied to old Albion.

Quite. The Common Market of the British Commonwealth (CMBC) has proved an excellent economic union. It is fortunate that we relinquished the necessity for the pound sterling currency to be adopted, however, as the debt of some of the poorer states (such as Zimbabwe-Rhodesia) would have become quite unmanageable had they retained access to the same interest rates as the Sterling Bloc (which, unless I am mistaken, includes the UK, the Irish Free State, Australia, New Zealand, and a few of the Caribbean islands). Of course, Britain and some of the richer members (like Canada and Australia) do have to subsidise some of the poorer African states, but its not a bad price to pay.

The military situation is quite similar IIRC. You in Britain and those there in British non-hindu India are benefiting both from the relationship

Indeed. Pakistan (as the natives like to call the western Muslim India), Islamic Bengal, and the Punjab (the Sikh state) are excellent manufacturing centres, what with all their cheap labour; while Britain is able to export items of a more luxurious nature back to those states.

Hopefully those in Hindu India realize their mistake. It's sad to see how poor their Nation has become and what it could have been if it had stayed with the Empire.

Alas, I doubt they will see sense. Hindu-Indian nationalism is too far rooted in Anglophobia and Islamophobia. The dispute in Kashmir doesn't help. And the dire financial crisis in Hindu India makes it an unattractive candidate for membership of CMBC anyway.
 
Yeah! Fascism is not anti-Semitic though the Nazis were quite anti-Semitic. I heard about this up and coming Nazi Party member named in 1930 named Adolf Hitler who was extremely charismatic, a great orator, and was rising swiftly through the Party's ranks. IIRC, he was an anti-Semite to the extreme - apparently he wanted to launch a wholesale genocide of Europe's Jewish population and other minorities. Luckily the National Socialist Party leader and future Führer, Hermann Goering, arranged for Mr. Hitler to have an "accident". Imagine if Hitler became Führer and not Goering.


OOC: I'm a card carry member of the Patriotic American League and its paramilitary group, the Silver Eagles, who hates the "comparison" between fascism and national socialism that leftists constantly make.

Goering wasn't the most competant man, but IIRC the NSDAP were basically like a bunch of wackos believing in some borderline occult stuff. Frankly I find it hard to believe the conservative and nationalist German establishment would have worked with them unless they absolutely had to.

The German Soviet war, was an awful mess, but it was Germany that bled the Red Army dry. It's unfortunate but Europe finally saw that being divided and petty was a road to disaster. We had to learn that the hard way, but thank God we did. Since the ETO came into existence Europe has been free of war betwixt ourselves.

[OOC: I agree, Italian Fascism is very different to Hitlerism/National Socialism. I still think it would have been far better for Mussolini to have gone with his gut in 1938 and support Austrian independence against Germany. If only the Wallies had some backbone.]
OOC: I've always found fascism to be fascinating and actually find it quite appealing.

Also Hitler destroyed fascism has respectable political ideology, forever tainted Germany's legacy, masterminded one of the worst atrocities in his history and ruined Chaplain's mustache.
 
Maybe if Tojo were to attack the U.S and U.K instead of jumping on the anti Soviet bandwagon? Japan and the USSR preferred for the most part to keep out of each others hair. Japan only went to war because they really had no other option, then basically ally with Russia and fight the U.K which would eventually bring in the U.S
 
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