DBWI: Would the French Revolution have occured had the American Revolution succeeded?

(ooc: Imagine this either being French, or having a very heavy French influence.)

Was toying with an idea today, and wanted to check it out here. Would the French Revolution have even occurred, much less succeeded, had the the First American Revolution failed?

These were my thoughts.

Had the 1AR succeeded, French republican disidents would have had an alternative place to go, rather than stir against the monarchy.

Had the 1AR succeeded and a successor state friendly to the monarchy established, French coffers drained in the war would have had a friendly trading partner for mutual profit, with the potential for a few small loans for the economy, thus preventing the overthrowal of the monarchy.

And most importantly, had the 1AR succeeded, surely the Revolutionary Brothers from North America would have stayed there, instead of seeking refuge in France and becoming a moderate voice for stability and against the excesses of the Revolution. None of them held highest office themselves, but they (especially Jefferson and Franklin) were highly regarded opponents against some of the darker elements of the Revolution.

So, thoughts? Would it have occurred? If so, would it have produced the most continuous government in modern history, the one continuous Republic? (Though I suppose Hendryk will come in and mention how Imperial China has France beaten out of that claim. ;))
 
(OOC: This is a DBWI en français, n'est-ce pas? Let's see how this goes. Hendryk is probably going to have a fit when he sees this.)

C'est intéressant, votre idée. Malheureusement, je pense que si les américains eussent essayé fabriquer un succès avec la Révolution américaine, une Revolution française eût apparu encore. Tous les Français détestaient la royaume. Quand la royaume eut dérapé en cette temps dans l'OTL, les Français essaya détruire la royaume. Dans le TTL, c'étais possible pour cette situation serait survenue encore en la France.
 
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OOC: Key word there was imagine, Dan. I still don't speak French.

This DBWI was just about WI the American Revolution failed, the French revolution was more moderate and successful, and France went on to be a stable republic forevermore while North America is... whatever anyone decides it to be. If someone wants to say that the American Founding Fathers were unimportant in the grand scheme of things, fine. That their words as a novelty were all the power they had and are now used as a propoganda piece in a modern age, sure. Point is, France never sees its Republican institutions fail, and whether France-wank must necessarily follow is up for grabs.
 
OOC: OK, so I'll translate what I wrote down (mainly using literary tenses, don't know if I got any of them right, though), but embellish on them.

IC:

That's interesting, your idea. Unfortunately, I think that even if the Americans tried to make a success out of the American Revolution, a French Revolution would still happen - albeit more radical and making its institutions more weaker in the long run. Virtually all the French HATED the King. When the King made even one simple mistake in OTL, everyone pounced on him and thus destroyed the Kingdom. In TTL, it's possible that it might still happen.

I find it funny, though, that it was the British system upon which the modern-day French government was based, albeit with much of the old system retained and some influence from the Corsican constitution. Of course the system is not perfect (the National Assembly and the executive are pretty much equal in power now), but it works. Then again, how would the North American Confederation be formed if no American Revolution?
 
Originally posted by Dean_the_Young
And most importantly, had the 1AR succeeded, surely the Revolutionary Brothers from North America would have stayed there, instead of seeking refuge in France and becoming a moderate voice for stability and against the excesses of the Revolution. None of them held highest office themselves, but they (especially Jefferson and Franklin) were highly regarded opponents against some of the darker elements of the Revolution.

Hmm, Recently I bought of second hand a book by Pierre Villepin in the spanish Edition by Ediciones Tomara, the famed french historian Pierre Villepin in his book "Temps de Gloire et Revolution" indicates that Jefferson and Franklin cultivated a great friendship with the hero general Hoche that finally gave the coup against the named Protectorate - that brief phase of the French Revolution marked by corruption and paranoid-, he suggests that the restorer of the real values of the French Revolution and a moderate voice and true republican within the army Lazare Hoche was influenced by Jefferson and Franklin in finally leading the coup against the Protectorate.

So without Jefferson and Franklin in France, Hoche could be had not decided to lead a coup to restore the real republic.
 

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Then again, how would the North American Confederation be formed if no American Revolution?

OoC/ I'm going to assume you meant 'If the American Revolution succeded'. /OoC

Well, it would likely be smaller with a rival state in mid-north america. It'd probably be alot weaker too, considering the economic powerhouse that the thirteen original colonies are today, they produce a third of the NAC's GDP!

Hmm, I wonder who Russia would have sold Vancouver to if this happened? British North America or the revolutionary colonies? Maybe even Texas!
 
OoC/ I'm going to assume you meant 'If the American Revolution succeded'. /OoC

Well, it would likely be smaller with a rival state in mid-north america. It'd probably be alot weaker too, considering the economic powerhouse that the thirteen original colonies are today, they produce a third of the NAC's GDP!
More, actually. A small majority of the economy of the entire North America lies within 100 miles of the Atlantic Coast of the NAC. That's a majority, and nearly the entirety of that is in the foothills of the Eastern Appalachians and in the New England merchant area. The reason it isn't even more is because of Mexico's West Coast.
 
More, actually. A small majority of the economy of the entire North America lies within 100 miles of the Atlantic Coast of the NAC. That's a majority, and nearly the entirety of that is in the foothills of the Eastern Appalachians and in the New England merchant area. The reason it isn't even more is because of Mexico's West Coast.

Though the Mexicans lost it no less than five times in the past two centuries .:D
 
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