DBWI: Would Atlantropa happen if the Reich was defeated?

IOTL, the Reich's victory in Europe and subsequent domination of the continent (including the subsumation of the Italian Empire) allowed it to initiate the Atlantropa project, which partially drained the mediterranean and created millions of sq miles of habitable land.

Had the Allies somehow defeated the German Reich during WW2, would they attempt something similar? The British Empire before the war controlled Gibraltar and Egypt, a bunch of smaller islands, and they would've probably turned Spain and Italy at least into protectorates (an European continent enslaved to British imperial ambitions, scary stuff), and together with France they controlled a vast majority of the mediterranean. But I think they needed the Mediterranean to get to their colonies...

So what do you think?
 

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Even though we see the Soviet Union of the 1940s as a weak entity today, it was really the biggest and most powerful country in the world in the late 1930s and in 1940 (perhaps not 1941 but some would argue they had the capacity).

If the Allies had won, it would be by preventing the fall of the Soviet Union. In that case, Stalin (who, let's not forget, had enough power to eliminate his enemies and crash-industrialize the Soviet Union in a few years) would receive most benefit from the defeat of Germany. Seeing how ineffectual British efforts were in Singapore, Malaysia, Malta, and Africa, the British would probably not be able to make a significant landing in mainland Europe before the Soviets had taken, at the very least, all of Germany.

So the Soviets would dominate Europe in an Allied victory scenario, more likely than not.

Much like Atlantropa was used by the German Reich to subjugate the Italian Empire and subordinate the nations of the Mediterranean, Atlantropa would provide the Soviet Union much the same effect for the former French and British colonies. The Mediterranean countries at their weakest moment could be made into People's Republics. The utopian nature of the Atlantropa project, as well, would probably appeal to Stalin and the Communist Party as a whole, clearing new land for collectives.

We don't really know how the Soviets would have acted, because so many of the records were destroyed, but considering Joseph Stalin's actions in Ukraine, he didn't seem to care much about the human costs of his projects if they benefited Russia. So Atlantropa would probably be a go ahead for the Soviets.
 
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How do the Allies win, anyway? No MacArthurist America?

MacArthur didn't get elected until '44, and by that point it was clear the Reich was going to win. I think the PoD we need to look at is the engagement at the Borodino Fields in Mid-October of 1941; 2nd SS Division managed to arrive on the battlefield a day before the Soviet 32nd Division showed up and the Germans basically ambushed them. That broke the last meaningful line of resistance before Moscow and allowed the Germans to get onto an all weather road that lead straight to the city, prompting Stalin to flee and throwing the city into chao as demolition of critical infrastructure began.
 
MacArthur didn't get elected until '44, and by that point it was clear the Reich was going to win. I think the PoD we need to look at is the engagement at the Borodino Fields in Mid-October of 1941; 2nd SS Division managed to arrive on the battlefield a day before the Soviet 32nd Division showed up and the Germans basically ambushed them. That broke the last meaningful line of resistance before Moscow and allowed the Germans to get onto an all weather road that lead straight to the city, prompting Stalin to flee and throwing the city into chao as demolition of critical infrastructure began.
Well, one could argue that MacArthur's administration joining the Axis (if only due to China being an Axis power and the Anglo-Japanese Alliance) was the last nail in the coffin for the Allies.
 

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Would have it made Mediterranean Europe and Africa a least shitty place to live (even by Reich standard it is) ?

Guess you can say it was the plan to make the New Europe more depended of the Reich controlled North Sea and Atlantic, but it has with no doubt totally fucked up the economy and climate of the region, only for salty plains that still need a ton of work to transform them into usable agricultural land.
Not counting the cost in infrastructure if you actually wanted to commercially connect Africa and Europe.

Guess the only "cool" thing with this megalomaniac nazi project was the huge Hitler dam (what an original name) they built at the former Gibraltar Strait.
 
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