DBWI: World war 2 not a draw

would it have been possible for the allies to completely defeat germany? they defeated japan but could not get past the rhine or warsaw on the easter front
before germany got the A bomb in 1946 and nuked moscow, ended the war in a more or less draw. I asume that Soviet union would take most of poland, maybe part of germany , but that strikes me as unlikely considering they're combat record in 1944-46
 
A good POD would be a successful first invasion of Europe. Maybe if Eisenhower had gone for a less obvious spot maybe Normandy. Anyway they land sucessfuly and put pressure on the Germans eariler.
 
Well, it certainly would have helped if the USA had not maintained it's traditional neutrality and joined the Allies: the Confederacy did its best, but as an industrial power it was weaker than the UK. Now, if the US had any possessions in the Pacific, which might have drawn it into a conflict with Japan...

Bruce
 
Well, it certainly would have helped if the USA had not maintained it's traditional neutrality and joined the Allies: the Confederacy did its best, but as an industrial power it was weaker than the UK. Now, if the US had any possessions in the Pacific, which might have drawn it into a conflict with Japan...

Bruce

What are you talking about:confused:

The US didn't join the allies only on Europe. The Union actually accompanied the Confederacy against the Japanese. How else did you think that Japan was defeated. Lets not forget that, the Confederacy has almost no ships in the Pacific Ocean to protect their Pacific possessions and it would take a long time for their Atlantic fleet to go around South America. If only the Confederacy managed to complete the Panama Canal.
 
ASBs delete Confederate nonsense. (Indeed, one wonders what position a racist, pro-exploitation of weaker races and Aryan inhabited nation would have in WW2)

Well, I mean the easy PoD is if Japan doesn't bomb Pearl Harbor. That way, the USA would not be so insanely angry that they decide to commit all of their forces against Japan--I suppose that President Willkie might have ultimately acceded to Churchill's request for help against Germany if it hadn't happened. Also, Hitler's condemnation of the Attack and his offer to 'mediate' quickly revealed that Japan had attacked on its own.

While Japan got crushed by 1945, with the Kanto Plains Offensive forcing the Emperor to personally address his subjects and demand a peace deal.

Meanwhile, the UK and the Soviet Union eventually manage to bog down Germany. The German advance into Persia is slowed to a crawl, and the March down the Nile is stopped at in Central Sudan. I suppose that if Auchinleck, or his replacement Montgomery, were somehow able to beat the Germans in North Africa, they might have been kept away from their Oil reserves.

The history of the world would have been very different if the Germans had never reached the Iranian Oil Wells, or those at Baku. Germany might have run out of oil, instead of being able to supply its incredible Schwartztiger Tanks, which could and did outfight the Soviet Josif Stalin Tanks.

I think the best PoD would have been if Stanley Baldwin and Leon Blum had aborted the whole Rhineland thing, then we wouldn't have a nuclear cold war on our hands.
 
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