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Loghain

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OOC: Damn! Sorry - missed that.

I don't suppose flipping a coin is an option here... :p

It's cool. I'll delete mine.

OOC: You know what we will have the America being biggest colonial empire to balance this out as it was established the america is only one without the universal male suffragete. atleast a bit of compromise

IC:anyway the North American union or the way i like to call them "America and subjects" just violently suppresed protest for universal male suffragete.
 
Just because you call your colonies "protectorates" and don't grant the natives citizenship doesn't make you any better.....
Colonies, Protectorates and Dominions are all legally distinct entities and are treated differently for a reason. It is simply empty socialistic schwärmerei to ignore the distinction.
 

Loghain

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Nothing a few more generations of healthy eugenics won't cure.

OOC: The past is a strange and incredibly bad place and I'm glad we no longer live there.

Dont treat Eugenics as fix it all thing. it can be helpfull true. but its isnt civilisation saver. Education is. Afterall no matter what you do you will still have Idiots. Imho far better to make the Idiot into -Clever enought to function at bottom of society" than trying to play God.
 
War perhaps ? men in combat women in factories ?

Or even men on the front lines, women in the rear. The Israeli military allows women to be mechanics, drive trucks, operate radar stations, that sort of thing. They even had women in combat during the War of Independence, and King Natan just appointed a woman as Minister of Education (Tzipi Livni is her name). I imagine Israel would allow women to vote if it had an elected parliament. Only thing is, if you allow women to vote, you'd also have to let the fucking haredim vote, and they'd probably vote themselves money so they could study Torah all day.

Democracy is a nice concept and all, but it inevitably leads to short-sighted policies (example: the United States). Communism leads to leaders just trying to enrich themselves as much as possible while they're in power. Fascism does the same, with a side order of genocide. Monarchy gives the rulers an incentive to keep the kingdom strong past their own deaths.
 

Loghain

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Or even men on the front lines, women in the rear. The Israeli military allows women to be mechanics, drive trucks, operate radar stations, that sort of thing. They even had women in combat during the War of Independence, and King Natan just appointed a woman as Minister of Education (Tzipi Livni is her name). I imagine Israel would allow women to vote if it had an elected parliament. Only thing is, if you allow women to vote, you'd also have to let the fucking haredim vote, and they'd probably vote themselves money so they could study Torah all day.

Democracy is a nice concept and all, but it inevitably leads to short-sighted policies (example: the United States). Communism leads to leaders just trying to enrich themselves as much as possible while they're in power. Fascism does the same, with a side order of genocide. Monarchy gives the rulers an incentive to keep the kingdom strong past their own deaths.

using israel as example might just as well cheating, they Cannot afford to leave women at hope when they are essentially encircled. Agreed about harredrim throught.

Thing with monarchy is the Legacy thing. Illustrious ancestrors for hundreds of years. makes it bit less likely you will want to be fuckhead, plus you are actually trained for the job.
 
using israel as example might just as well cheating, they Cannot afford to leave women at hope when they are essentially encircled. Agreed about harredrim throught.

Thing with monarchy is the Legacy thing. Illustrious ancestrors for hundreds of years. makes it bit less likely you will want to be fuckhead, plus you are actually trained for the job.

At this point, Israel's position is pretty secure. They have cordial relations with most of the Arab monarchies (Egypt, Hejaz, Iraq). Israel's only real enemies are the hardcore Islamist states - Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and of course the Psychotic State of Syria. Universal conscription is more of a tradition at this point than a necessity. It's true that without Israel's past, we probably wouldn't have female soldiers, but now that we do, they're not going anywhere. We use more of our women in the workforce too, which is probably why Israel still has the highest standard of living in the Middle East despite not having oil.
 
Whilst I am a moderate liberal who wholeheartedly supports democracy, Israel might be the exception, at least for the time being. It's the only way to keep the various groups from tearing each other apart. A King can at least play the Palestinians, Socialists, Haredim and Canaanists against each other and moderate their demands.
 
OOC: Considering New Zeeland did it in 1893, certainly, Australia in 1902 which is after 1900, but would almost certainly need a 19th century POD. Finland in 1906 would also be a problem. But yes i would agree that it needs a much earlier POD.

OOC: and considering women could vote in municipal elections in the UK from 1869.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage_in_the_United_Kingdom#Background

Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_women's_suffrage#18th_century
 
OOC: KaiserReich Prussia had a 3 class voting system based on Tax revenue, the payers of the top 1/3 of revenue got to elect 1/3 of the electors in this indirect system, so a small number of rich people had a lot of voting power. It was proposed to abolish this system in early 1917 on the basis that you couldn't deny millions of men who fought in the war an equal vote. But you could possibly deny this to women, so men who have served get an equal vote and women get a property/tax qualification which would disqualify/disempower most of them.
 
Would most women even want to vote? You'd need a very, very early POD. Probably change some Christian religious doctrine. Changing Islam or Judaism won't have much of an effect.
 
At this point, Israel's position is pretty secure. They have cordial relations with most of the Arab monarchies (Egypt, Hejaz, Iraq). Israel's only real enemies are the hardcore Islamist states - Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and of course the Psychotic State of Syria. Universal conscription is more of a tradition at this point than a necessity. It's true that without Israel's past, we probably wouldn't have female soldiers, but now that we do, they're not going anywhere. We use more of our women in the workforce too, which is probably why Israel still has the highest standard of living in the Middle East despite not having oil.

Lebanon? Are you sure they could be counted here? I mean, it's hard to be a hardcore Islamic state when 60+% of your population is Christian.
 
OOC: KaiserReich Prussia had a 3 class voting system based on Tax revenue, the payers of the top 1/3 of revenue got to elect 1/3 of the electors in this indirect system, so a small number of rich people had a lot of voting power. It was proposed to abolish this system in early 1917 on the basis that you couldn't deny millions of men who fought in the war an equal vote. But you could possibly deny this to women, so men who have served get an equal vote and women get a property/tax qualification which would disqualify/disempower most of them.

A slippery slope if there ever was one. Once some women get the vote, the franchise would gradually be expanded to all women just as it was to all men. Russia used the same system for its local government and taxpaying women did get voting rights
 
Lebanon? Are you sure they could be counted here? I mean, it's hard to be a hardcore Islamic state when 60+% of your population is Christian.

Yeah, but Abu Nasrallah's government is Muslim-dominated. A lot of their military are actually former Syrian Baathists, before the so-called Islamic State took over.
 
Thing with monarchy is the Legacy thing. Illustrious ancestrors for hundreds of years. makes it bit less likely you will want to be fuckhead, plus you are actually trained for the job.

Ah, but the inbreeding makes it bit more likely you will want to be fuckhead. :)

My wife is a lawyer (I know, I know- but it's really more of a hobby for her- it keeps her happy and as long as the kids are fed I could care less) and she likes to point out that originalism has more or less been dominant here for centuries, and "...all men are created equal..." We did manage to throw off slavery but obviously, since slavery is enshrined in the constitution, original intent on that one wasn't even meant to be literal.
 
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