DBWI: Wierd ATL Map of the Netherlands
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What I don't understand is that Dunkirk and the surrounding area is under French control, Britain would never allow it! No way the Brits are going to let the French surround their outpost at the port of Calais like that. I get the sense that France must of been much more successful in removing British influence and projecting force north then in our timeline. BTW the idea that Lille would be French controlled also seems unlikely.
archaeogeek
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The borders make no sense at all; not only don't they not even pretend to follow linguistic borders, they also don't even bother to follow province borders, Brabant, Flanders, Hainaut and Luxemburg are all cut in the most ridiculous of places: why would anyone, especially France, take more than half of Hainaut and leave its capital to be a border town on the other side...
And it's not natural borders either, since both borders are basically... flat land.
And it's not natural borders either, since both borders are basically... flat land.
New Theory: The Habsburgs and French drove the English from the continent and set up satellites in the Low Countries. That explains why Hannover isn't part of the UK and why France has English Picardy, as well as the odd border between the two halves of the Netherlands and all the elaborate engineering of the Northern half's coast (it's clearly from Habsburg defensive coastal fortifications). It doesn't explain why Luxembourg was overlooked, though. Perhaps it was neutral in the war, but then why would its territory be halved?
I'd like to see the maps image of the rest of Europe, if the guy is completely ignorant of the factors in play in the low countries, I wonder how messed up his image of Europe is.
I did find this map, which seems to be part of the same timeline. It's not very well documented, though.
The author really seems to love eir Latin references: the map I posted features both a country called Portugal (or so I presume) and a ship (?) called the Lusitania.I don't even know where to start!
EDIT: Whoa! "German sub-marine war zone"? In the 1910s? Is that awesome, or what?
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A couple people have already mentioned it, but this thread is a DBWI (Double Blind What If), a sort of joke on here. Basically, you pretend to be in an alternate history, and then ask how something in real history "could" have come about. (Responses to a DBWI are supposed to explain how implausible real history is-like I said, its kind of supposed to be a joke).
I am, of course, fully aware that the map in question is real. And since you mentioned it, I had to read up on the Dutch revolt to write a plausible-sounding TL about it, so I know most of the basics.
And to all the other replies to this post-when I first came on here, I was a bit puzzled by the DBWI thing at first too. Give the guy a break.
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Ming777
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What the... how the hell did the Ottomans stay alive for so long? Remember the Crimean War. They utterly imploded into bedlam!!!
Plus...what the hell is with Russia, how did they take over Poland? IIRC, the Poles tried to take out the German Confederation and almost reached Moscow during the Great Wars. That is so ASB.
Plus...what the hell is with Russia, how did they take over Poland? IIRC, the Poles tried to take out the German Confederation and almost reached Moscow during the Great Wars. That is so ASB.
mowque
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Well it is after 1918, I'm guessing. So in a long time, I can see even Poland losing power. I do like the idea of a 'Germany' invading Russia. Sweet invasion, eh?
WTF why is nice and savoy French?
And why is that Frech provice, I forgot the name part of the German confed?
Yes, a unified super-Italy without Savoia, the cradle of Italic nationalism. Worse yet, dominating the Scicilies. With a capital at Rome.
Looks like the Austro-Hapsburgs kept most of the Balkans too, but not the lower Po valley. All of the empire constrained to the Dalmatian coast? How TF do they manage sea trade? This super-Italy must either be very favorable to the Austians ITTL or too damned weak to blockade a handful of suitable ports, the best of which is right on the border with Super-Italy.
This Italy is strong enough to take Venice AND the Scicilies from the Hapsburg powers, yet unable to keep Savoia or cut off Austia's tentative sea holdings?
The only logical answer here is that the House of Savoia died off and a Hapsburg sits on the "Italian" throne.
archaeogeek
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With the amount of efforts the french did to keep the Sarre forts, and to make sure the area was a complete fortress, I'm about as surprised that they somehow failed to keep their part of the palatinate.
WTF!? How the hell did Sweden manage to lose all that territory? I mean, Estonia, Ingria, Karelia, and not to mention bloody Finland, is in Russian hands! This just feels very ASB. I also don't find it believable that the Germans of all peoples would be able to get over their petty infighting and actually form a fairly stable nation which would be able to to take on France, Russia AND the British Empire.
Uhm, why is Autria not ruling an United Germany?
Who unified it any how??
By the way what happend with the low countries they are a bit cut to pieces and partly diveded by France and this united Germany thing?
And the Italian States united in one Nation Sate? Is it ruled by some decendant of the Medici?
Can some one post a proper map of Europe please instead of this strange thing.
Who unified it any how??
By the way what happend with the low countries they are a bit cut to pieces and partly diveded by France and this united Germany thing?
And the Italian States united in one Nation Sate? Is it ruled by some decendant of the Medici?
Can some one post a proper map of Europe please instead of this strange thing.