DBWI: WI LBJ had been nominated for Veep in '60?

I think Jack Kennedy might've beaten Tricky Dick Nixon and Jerry Ford in November, as it was Nixon easily beat JFK/Symington in November. Nixon won the most Southern votes of any GOP President in a generation and won 7 of 11 former Confederate states, including TX. Would JFK have won in November.
 
It's hard to say - Nixon and Kennedy were equally popular, and with LBJ on the ticket, Kennedy may have won Texas. If he campaigned a little harder, he might have been able to win Illinois and more southern states, which would have given him the presidency. The map might have looked something like:

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Sen. John Kennedy (D-MA) / Sen. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX) - 279 EVs
Vice Pres. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Sen. Henry Lodge (R-MA) - 258 EVs

So, we have John Kennedy as president. I bet we would have seen some major efforts to put a man on the moon, and probably some efforts for peace between America and Russia. We probably wouldn't have had such a close call in the Cuban Missile Crisis. God, we came so close to nuclear war! Just a little less luck in convincing the Russians that we invaded Cuba just because of the missiles and not because we hated the Soviet Union, and we may have seen a nuked America and possibly a nuked Russia.

Does anyone know what happened to John Kennedy after his defeat in 1960? There really isn't much information about that.
 
No, there isn't much info on that one. There's somewhat more info on his brother Robert, who became Governor of Massachusetts for a decade (1961-72) before a narrow victory over President Rockefeller in the 1972 presidential election. Now that was a time to remember, wasn't it?
 
John F. Kennedy served as a senator for Massachucetts until his death in 1987. He was a big supporter of his brothers during their runs for the presidency.
 
No, there isn't much info on that one. There's somewhat more info on his brother Robert, who became Governor of Massachusetts for a decade (1961-72) before a narrow victory over President Rockefeller in the 1972 presidential election. Now that was a time to remember, wasn't it?

Yeah, it sure was. Bobby Kennedy, IMO, was a great president - he really worked hard for progressing America. Ted Kennedy did that too, IMO, just as well as Bobby did.

John F. Kennedy served as a senator for Massachucetts until his death in 1987. He was a big supporter of his brothers during their runs for the presidency.

Understandably. In fact, when Ted Kennedy ran for president in 1984, John Kennedy made quite a few stump speeches for him - one of the few things I really heard about John Kennedy on the news. Of course, same with Bobby in '72 and '76.

What do you all think of the Bobby Kennedy presidency 1973-1981? The Ted Kennedy presidency 1985-1993?
 
I think I admire Teddy Kennedy more than Robert Kennedy -- both were admirable presidents, and Robert Kennedy especially deserves credit for the Lyndon B Johnson Civil Rights Act 1974*, but I still think Robert was too vociferously anti-communist (even though he did open up relations with the PRC). And he discontinued the lunar program, too -- maybe that's why I like Teddy better, because he restarted it :D

* Although, obviously, Johnson himself deserves quite a bit of credit for that one too. It's a shame he didn't live to see it passed.

(OOC: Not being president means that Senator Johnson doesn't have quite as much stress on him, so he lives about a year longer. The bill is named in his memory.)
 
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Yeah, it sure was. Bobby Kennedy, IMO, was a great president - he really worked hard for progressing America. Ted Kennedy did that too, IMO, just as well as Bobby did.



Understandably. In fact, when Ted Kennedy ran for president in 1984, John Kennedy made quite a few stump speeches for him - one of the few things I really heard about John Kennedy on the news. Of course, same with Bobby in '72 and '76.

What do you all think of the Bobby Kennedy presidency 1973-1981? The Ted Kennedy presidency 1985-1993?

The first one, Bobby, not bad at all. Too bad that veep of his, Carter, lost in 1980. Had he won, Edward Kennedy would never have been the US president.

Edward Kennedy is best described as being an American Trudeau... Only unlike Trudeau, little Eddie got reelected.

Why do you think that there has been nothing but Republicans elected to the White House since '92? Gingrich won in 1992 in a landslide, and was reelected in 1996. McCain won in 2000, and was reelected in 2004. And Condi Rice won in 2008, becoming both the first pemale President and the first black president.
 
The first one, Bobby, not bad at all. Too bad that veep of his, Carter, lost in 1980. Had he won, Edward Kennedy would never have been the US president.

Edward Kennedy is best described as being an American Trudeau... Only unlike Trudeau, little Eddie got reelected.

Why do you think that there has been nothing but Republicans elected to the White House since '92? Gingrich won in 1992 in a landslide, and was reelected in 1996. McCain won in 2000, and was reelected in 2004. And Condi Rice won in 2008, becoming both the first pemale President and the first black president.
OOC: Somewhere, an elephant is wanking.
 
OOC: So, a donkey creamed himself first...
OOC: Oh, really? Let's compare reality to the ATL, then, starting with 1953 up to 2013:

Reality -- 2 Republican terms '53-'61, 2 Democratic terms '61-'69, 2 Republican terms '69-'77, 1 Democratic term '77-'81, 3 Republican terms '81-'93, 2 Democratic terms '93-'01, 2 Republican terms '01-'09, 1 Democratic term '09-'13.
Total -- 9 Republican terms and 6 Democratic terms; or, counting from the 1960 POD, 7 Republican terms and 6 Democratic terms

ATL -- 5 Republican terms '53-'73, 2 Democratic terms '73-'81, 1 Republican term '81-'85, 2 Democratic terms '85-'93, 5 Republican terms '93-'13.
Total -- 11 Republican terms, 4 Democratic terms, including two 20-year stretches for the Republicans; or, counting from the 1960 POD, 9 Republican terms and 4 Democratic terms.

You utter hypocrite.
 
OOC: Oh, really? Let's compare reality to the ATL, then, starting with 1953 up to 2013:

Reality -- 2 Republican terms '53-'61, 2 Democratic terms '61-'69, 2 Republican terms '69-'77, 1 Democratic term '77-'81, 3 Republican terms '81-'93, 2 Democratic terms '93-'01, 2 Republican terms '01-'09, 1 Democratic term '09-'13.
Total -- 9 Republican terms and 6 Democratic terms; or, counting from the 1960 POD, 7 Republican terms and 6 Democratic terms

ATL -- 5 Republican terms '53-'73, 2 Democratic terms '73-'81, 1 Republican term '81-'85, 2 Democratic terms '85-'93, 5 Republican terms '93-'13.
Total -- 11 Republican terms, 4 Democratic terms, including two 20-year stretches for the Republicans; or, counting from the 1960 POD, 9 Republican terms and 4 Democratic terms.

You utter hypocrite.

And how over how much of that time was there the US congress and the US senate controlled by the Democrats? Besides, in the ATL, the US had not one but two Kennedys in the White house.

Interestingly, the ATL gives the US Republican Party a period of dominace on par with Canada's Liberals. (1935-1957, 1963-1979, 1980-1984, 1993-2006. After the POD it is instead 1963-ca.1972, ca.1985-ca.1994, ca.2002-)

I'm a hypocrite how? Both sides got their wishes fulfilled to some extent...
 
And how over how much of that time was there the US congress and the US senate controlled by the Democrats? Besides, in the ATL, the US had not one but two Kennedys in the White house.
OOC: Are you trying to say that your scenario is not a Republicanwank by pointing to congressional majorities that nobody has even mentioned yet? Besides, what exactly is so wrong with the idea of two President Kennedys? Two two-term Democratic presidents within twenty years is not exactly unprecedented, you know. It's still no excuse for turning this into a Republican masturbatory fantasy.

I'm a hypocrite how? Both sides got their wishes fulfilled to some extent...
OOC: You're a hypocrite for claiming this is a Democratwank when you have set it so that Republican presidential terms outnumber Democratic presidential terms since the POD by more than two to one.
 
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