DBWI: why is The USA so Politically Left wing?

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as I think about it, I can't think of any country where both/all the political parties are based on socialism, for sure at times America has moved over to Classical Liberalism and maybe Social conservatism, but today we have two parties that are both socialist, why is that? what about America can explain why unlike say Canada or the UK we have no Conservative or other right wing party?

feel free to disagree with me and make a case of the Socialists are a right-wing/Conservative/Nationalist/Capitalist party
 
1. Reagan used Nixon's Coalition to move the country more to the left than Nixon already did.
2. Luck. The Democrats had two Southern Governors elected President who were both center-left. Obama really is the most liberal President of many Americans' lifetime. Before this, Kennedy campaigned to Nixon's right.

FDR, Truman, and LBJ are pretty much proper social democrats. Obama probably would be if he could get away with it, he's sorta the Democratic Nixon with regards to his base.

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You have to look at two things, One the great depression. That thing lasted almost a decade and it took a war to finnally yank us out of it, and it was a very left wing for thetime, President who finally did more than give us blandishments and platitudes.

Then you had the civil rights movement that came just that close to becoming a race war. It was only by the graces of Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. that the Black marchers never returned violence for violence.

Then i nthe late seventies when the bills came due from Uncle Sugar's SOuth East Asian Adventurer, President carter raised taxes on the highest one percent of AMericans to 90 percent. and the taxes on the highest ten percent to 70 percent and PAID THE BILLS!

The 80's were once again a case of big government saving the day AND keeping the SOviets off our backs with the massive arms build-up.

The institution of a national healthcare system i ntheninties probably saved us from who knows what kind of disaster in the first decade of the 21st century.

The bottom line is that thanks to Carter and Reagen level taxes the U.S> Government has the cash to pay all her bills and take care of her people.

Better than a poke i nthe eye with a sharp stick.
 
Perhaps it was linked to the collapse of the Democratic party, whose conserviatived policies aggravated the Great Depression. Franklin Roosevelt, as you will recall, wisely defected to his cousin's party
 
Perhaps it was linked to the collapse of the Democratic party, whose conserviatived policies aggravated the Great Depression. Franklin Roosevelt, as you will recall, wisely defected to his cousin's party
That rurne the ricked switch me if it didn't.

I would also like to point out that the Federal laws governing big bisiness have kept jobs with compeditive living wages IN THIS COUNTRY!

Corporations found out it was cheaper to just pay Americans to make their stuff than it was to pay ruinous federal import tarriffes after being classed as a "Foereign company."
 
Perhaps it was linked to the collapse of the Democratic party, whose conserviatived policies aggravated the Great Depression. Franklin Roosevelt, as you will recall, wisely defected to his cousin's party

Makes you wonder what would have happened if Theodore Roosevelt was not elected President in 1912 heading the Progressive Party ticket.

It is no secret that FDR despised Alfred Smith. When the Democrats nominated Smith for President in 1928, Congressman Roosevelt switched to the Progressives. In October 1929, the stock market crashed, Roosevelt defeated incumbent Jimmy Walker and was elected Mayor of New York City (with the help of his colleague Fiorello La Guardia).
 
Makes you wonder what would have happened if Theodore Roosevelt was not elected President in 1912 heading the Progressive Party ticket.

It is no secret that FDR despised Alfred Smith. When the Democrats nominated Smith for President in 1928, Congressman Roosevelt switched to the Progressives. In October 1929, the stock market crashed, Roosevelt defeated incumbent Jimmy Walker and was elected Mayor of New York City (with the help of his colleague Fiorello La Guardia).
And that my good friends is how we avoided being led by a class of privelidged entitled selfish self centered pricks.

Which in my opinion is a GOOD thing.
 
I've been to America many times and I've always found the people to be very right wing.
I think it may simply be a case that the left wing is simply more vocal than the right wing. I mean how often do we see people getting shocked at all the left political commentators who in my opinion simply say things to piss off the right.
 
The Progressives are absolutely a liberal party, not a socialist party; ensuring workers' control of the means of production has never been an end in itself for the party, just a means to ensure greater freedom. (At times, they even come down against it.) It's just that Anglo-American liberal thought has never been big on laissez-faire and has always had quasi-socialist undercurrents; compare Smith, Paine, JS Mill or Lincoln to their European equivalents and you'll see what I mean. The British Liberal Democrats and their Commonwealth equivalents have just moved from principle to pragmatism after fifty years of electoral dominance; they're the splitters, not us. In the US, you just can't have right-wing liberalism.

As for conservatism, it could never have held any national sway in most of the US to anywhere near the degree that it does in Europe or elsewhere because there's quite simply no base for them outside of a few weakening regional strongholds. They can't rail against foreigners or deviants effectively; the US has a fairly open culture that has historically been good at assimilating ethnic minorities into an American identity. Even the huge masses of former slaves only took a few generations to become indistinguishably "American" everywhere outside of the South, and there it only took a few more. Even the remnants of the Democrats in the South aren't nearly as extreme as the European conservatives about "the looming threat of mongrelization." (I'm sure many of you Europeans remember Rick Perry blowing his stack when the Tories tried to gift him that Obama Golliwog back last year.) The US is also not under direct threat of invasion by anyone like the Communists or the Chinese and doesn't have the bones of an empire to hold down, so there's no support for the kind of hypermilitarism that you see in the European or East Asian countries. The US doesn't have a state church to rally around, so political religion isn't nearly as big (and seems like more of a Socialist thing here anyway where it does exist).
 
The Progressives are absolutely a liberal party, not a socialist party; ensuring workers' control of the means of production has never been an end in itself for the party, just a means to ensure greater freedom. (At times, they even come down against it.) It's just that Anglo-American liberal thought has never been big on laissez-faire and has always had quasi-socialist undercurrents; compare Smith, Paine, JS Mill or Lincoln to their European equivalents and you'll see what I mean. The British Liberal Democrats and their Commonwealth equivalents have just moved from principle to pragmatism after fifty years of electoral dominance; they're the splitters, not us. In the US, you just can't have right-wing liberalism.

As for conservatism, it could never have held any national sway in most of the US to anywhere near the degree that it does in Europe or elsewhere because there's quite simply no base for them outside of a few weakening regional strongholds. They can't rail against foreigners or deviants effectively; the US has a fairly open culture that has historically been good at assimilating ethnic minorities into an American identity. Even the huge masses of former slaves only took a few generations to become indistinguishably "American" everywhere outside of the South, and there it only took a few more. Even the remnants of the Democrats in the South aren't nearly as extreme as the European conservatives about "the looming threat of mongrelization." (I'm sure many of you Europeans remember Rick Perry blowing his stack when the Tories tried to gift him that Obama Golliwog back last year.) The US is also not under direct threat of invasion by anyone like the Communists or the Chinese and doesn't have the bones of an empire to hold down, so there's no support for the kind of hypermilitarism that you see in the European or East Asian countries. The US doesn't have a state church to rally around, so political religion isn't nearly as big (and seems like more of a Socialist thing here anyway where it does exist).
This assessment is essentially correct on all points.
 
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