DBWI: Why are there so many aliens?

ninebucks

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Perhaps some of you have heard of the Fermi Paradox? It essentially relies on a mathematical equation, that allows you to add in your own estimations of how common stable stars are, how likely life if to evolve, how likely it is for said life to become sentient, civilised, technological, etc., and then, by multiplying all these probabilities together, determining how common extraterrestrial life may be. By even the most generous estimates, life should be pretty rare.

So then why is it that ever since sufficiently strong radio receivers were developed at the turn of the last century, we have been discovering a new source of alien transmission every week? The Fermi Equation becomes the Fermi Paradox when its conclusions are so clearly disproved by what we observe, when our radios pick up over thirty separate sources of alien transmission within a few dozen lightyears of our home planet!

Which brings up the greatest puzzle of the 20th/21st century: why are there so many aliens?
 
OOC: Ought this not to be put in ASB, seeing as the existence of broadcasting alien civilisations, if possible, would require some pretty major changes to the universe and is beyond the scope of normal human history?
 
Perhaps some of you have heard of the Fermi Paradox? It essentially relies on a mathematical equation, that allows you to add in your own estimations of how common stable stars are, how likely life if to evolve, how likely it is for said life to become sentient, civilised, technological, etc., and then, by multiplying all these probabilities together, determining how common extraterrestrial life may be. By even the most generous estimates, life should be pretty rare.

So then why is it that ever since sufficiently strong radio receivers were developed at the turn of the last century, we have been discovering a new source of alien transmission every week? The Fermi Equation becomes the Fermi Paradox when its conclusions are so clearly disproved by what we observe, when our radios pick up over thirty separate sources of alien transmission within a few dozen lightyears of our home planet!

Which brings up the greatest puzzle of the 20th/21st century: why are there so many aliens?

I dunno. I was rather relieved when the Empire decided to ignore us after they made contact with us. The aliens in that society have some pretty screwed-up ways of doing things....but after seeing what Germany and Japan now are they decided to leave. A pity, though, that they devastated Russia and the USA like they did. The loss of New York, St. Petersburg, and Volgograd was nasty. :(
 
The Fermi Paradox and its surrounding equations are just wrong. Physical evidence demonstrates this. Anyway, only mad fundamental religious types would doubt extraterrestials these days, passing them off as 'avatars of Satan' or something.
 
The Fermi Paradox and its surrounding equations are just wrong. Physical evidence demonstrates this. Anyway, only mad fundamental religious types would doubt extraterrestials these days, passing them off as 'avatars of Satan' or something.

That the Xeltrigan look like demons somewhat hardly helps the Xeltrigan in that regard.

That the Xeltrigan have weapons capable of blasting an entire continent to smithereens on the other hand....:D
 

ninebucks

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I dunno. I was rather relieved when the Empire decided to ignore us after they made contact with us. The aliens in that society have some pretty screwed-up ways of doing things....but after seeing what Germany and Japan now are they decided to leave. A pity, though, that they devastated Russia and the USA like they did. The loss of New York, St. Petersburg, and Volgograd was nasty. :(

OOC: No. This didn't happen. One of the reasons why I put this in post-1900 was to avoid the stupid "zomg and then everything got blown'd up!!!1" posts that plague the FH forum. Aliens have not made contact, if they had, I would have mentioned it. So far, we are just listening.

IC: Erm? What are you talking about?
 
OOC: No. This didn't happen. One of the reasons why I put this in post-1900 was to avoid the stupid "zomg and then everything got blown'd up!!!1" posts that plague the FH forum. Aliens have not made contact, if they had, I would have mentioned it. So far, we are just listening.

IC: Erm? What are you talking about?

Another New Agey type.

Colonization is thought to explain some of the sources. While all those broadcast sources are in distinctly different languages, xenolinguists have discerned half a dozen clusters or families that seem to possess similar patterns of syntax and possibly related morphology - alongside several outliers, of course. The most likely cause of this? A small-ish number of life-bearing worlds, whose people have established bases and settlements elsewhere.

Of course, it's still _way_ more than what Fermi would have predicted.
 
this is like those DBWI posts about what if there were no lunar colonies and what if there were no domestic robots or flying cars etc
 
OOC: No. This didn't happen. One of the reasons why I put this in post-1900 was to avoid the stupid "zomg and then everything got blown'd up!!!1" posts that plague the FH forum. Aliens have not made contact, if they had, I would have mentioned it. So far, we are just listening.

IC: Erm? What are you talking about?

OOC: No, not everything gets blown up. Aliens establish contact with Earth on a presumption that World War II is ongoing, and wanting to ally with the Germans, which explains the attack on the three cities (two of which centers of the German-Russian war at the time of their receiving signals). The misunderstanding is corrected and the Xeltrigan Empire returns to a quiet restfulness.

IC: I'm referring to the mutual misunderstandings between the demonic-looking Xeltrigans and their Empire and the human race around 1992 or so. It took Chancellor Kohl and Prime Minister Miyazawa of Japan making contact with the Xeltrigan to settle the whole affair and they stopped the whole business.
 
OOC: ninebucks is completely vetoing direct contact with aliens.

IC: Of course, the really surprising thing is the tiny tech gap. How long would it take us to go out and start taking over everywhere in sight? Five hundred years? If that's so, all these civilizations must be no more than 500 years ahead of us, and no more than 100 years behind us.

Why haven't they conquered yet? Technological progress is increasing in speed. Picture an aircraft carrier fighting Zheng He. Then multiply that by twenty. If they had wanted to, they could have smacked us down any time in the past centuries--unless they were not up to interstellar travel yet. So civilization must have arisen, oh, thirty times within a thousand years in the same tiny piece of the galaxy--and not before.

That's a bit of a disconcerting thought.
 
The really disturbing thing was when Groombridge 1618 stopped transmitting in '89. It was just, normal transmission, sudden spike like from nuclear fission, then nothing. There's no doubt as to what happened, the real question is, why and how? Maybe one day we'll decode thier language and get a grip on it, but until then... I mean, it really seems like it ended civilisation there. I remember even the Pope held a special mass in thier honour, one of the first times they officially admitted ET even existed, or at least the first time they admitted they might have souls.


I don't put much stock in those who think ET has come here. We haven't discovered any evidence that any of the Locals have ever travelled past thier own system. I know it looked like the Procyon's were transmitting in Luytens Starians language for a while, but I think it's fairly well established that they have a dialogue, not contact. Besides, barring a global conspiracy to hide the information, it would be trivially easy to spot any interstellar spacecraft thrusting in our system.


My cousin, an ET linguist, has an interesting theory, one that may bear up depending on what the new Very Large Reciever discovers. Some kind of radiation pulse from the galactic core could have been preventing the development of intelligence, and that the pulse ended a few hundred thousand years ago. If we discover more civilisations coreward that rimward, on average, this could be the case.
 
Yes, I know officially every government says that because we only monitor these signals, and because of the Second Versailles treaty of '34 that prevents deliberate transmissions outside of the Earth's 'signal decay bubble', that obviously none of them have ever detected us.

But I don't buy it.

In fact, I'm one of those people that think the sudden drop in signals in the sixties and seventies was because of the Hydrogen Bomb tests of the nineteen fifties. They were able to detect that we had developed fusion weapons. And consequently, within a decade the majority of civilisations started decreasing the level of their transmissions, with said levels only returning to their earlier intensity in the eighties--a decade or so after the test ban treaty of all atomic and thermonuclear bombs.

Call me crazy if you will, but I just don't believe these signals we pick-up have ever been hundreds of years old, regardless of the fact that none of them exist within less than one hundred lights years from us*. I'm convinced these signals all 'divert' through subspace or wormholes at some point before they reach us, and that most of them are less than a decade old.


*Apparently there is upwards of 100,000 civs between a hundred and two hundred light years from us. How does that work?
 
If you believe the conspiracy nuts, we've been recieving buttloads of alien probes and vehicles since about 1945, but various governments who want the tech for themselves haven't been making this public. This might actually explain the sudden proliferation in advanced fighters around the 50s.
 
OOC: When did we start picking up transmissions? I posited the interwar period. But if so, how does this effect technology? And does it lead to restrictions on radio technology?

God, how does Earth society react?
 
The Persian Gulf War

Only recently have the full details of this war come to light. Iraq and Syria, united as the Ba'ath Republic of Mesopatamia, were invaded from the south by forces of the United States and the Coalition, from the west by Israel, and from the north (with surprising permission from Iran to move troops through thier nation, though Iran were officially neutral) in the final act of the Red Army before the dissolution of the USSR. What was once thought to be a global intervention to prevent the massacre of Kurds in the north of the country, turned out to have a much more sinister reason.

The Secret History

In 1987, the Ba'ath Republic began constuction of the worlds largest transmitter, an array in the desert stretching over seven square miles. It was secret for a while, but soon intelligence agencies the world over put two and two together, looking at the contractors hired, the materials purchased, and realised that something was up. The UN Security Council held a secret emergency meeting in 1988, and ordered a secret resolution, to force the Ba'ath Republic to halt construction until they allowed inspectors to survey the transmitter, and to review the message that was to be sent. The Ba'athists refused. They refused to even acknowledge that the transmitter was anything more than a radio telescope.

The UNSC became worried, not only because of what they did know, but also because of what they didn't. Why build this transmitter? Why now? To say what to who? Teams of analysts poured over ET's transmissions, reviewing the decoded messages, and redoubled decoding efforts on every unknown. They had to figure out what, if anything, was talking to the Ba'athists.

But the investment in the transmitter did not prevent the Ba'athist's from engaging in other activities. The persecution and genocide of the Kurds. So the UNSC issued a public resolution, that the Ba'athists must begin steps to form a Kurdish republic. Iran and Turkey were issued similar resolutions, and they followed, but the Ba'athists refused. Tensions mounted as the US formed a coalition and built up thier forces in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. The USSR built up thier forces in the Caucasus, and war seemed inevitable.

In April 1990, the Ba'ath Republic gave in to the resolution, and granted began actions to grant the Kurds a republic of thier own. The world at large breathed a sigh of relief, while the UNSC, in secret, became even more worried. Several months passed, as every nation decried the continued build-up in the Middle East. On the first of August 1990, the transmitter became active, sending it's message into space, towards Ross 614. At midnight, the Ba'ath Republic was invaded and the Persian Gulf War began.

To this day, the war is full of unanswered questions, even for those in the know. The message itself has never been decoded. The ET linguists who worked on it for the Ba'athists are all dead, executed on the first of August. While the signals from Ross 614 have been, for the most part, decoded, there is no clue in them as to why the Ba'athists needed to send a signal back. The Ba'ath Armed Forces mostly deployed old Soviet materiel, along with some F-14s apparently captured during the First Gulf War with Iran, but there were also some surprises. They deployed ECM that could shut down electronics, even those hardened to EMP. They deployed armour similar to explosive reactive armour on their tanks, which was resistant to the main gun of a M1A1. They deployed soldiers drafted from POW's of the war with Iran, almost all of whom fought to the death for thier former enemies. The origin of these technologies or techniques has never been determined, even after eight years of occupation and eleven years of civilian government investigations.

Even the coalition has been implicated in some part, as doubt has been cast over the time frame of the Kurdish gassings. While they were always thought to be the casus belli for a hot war, we now know that it was the transmitter which caused it. Did they happen? Yes, the evidence is there for anyone who cares to travel to Kurdistan. But did it happen before the war? Was it even the Ba'athists who launched the attacks, or was it a false flag operation orchestrated by the Coalition?
 
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