DBWI: What is This a Map of?

spendabuck

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Looks pretty Island-Empire-ish to me. What's the current politically correct name of the bit of the Western Hemisphere between the northern and southern bits again?
There are currently a lot of names for the Western Hemisphere; the Norse tend to call it Vinland or Eriksonia, the Chinese refer to it as Fu-sang, and most Europeans know it simply as the Occident. However, I believe you want the name they are called by the indigenous peoples; while there are many names for the two continents throughout many different cultures, I believe that the universal term used by them is Aztlan, the homeland of the people of Mesoamerica according to the Aztec faith.
 

Saphroneth

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There are currently a lot of names for the Western Hemisphere; the Norse tend to call it Vinland or Eriksonia, the Chinese refer to it as Fu-sang, and most Europeans know it simply as the Occident. However, I believe you want the name they are called by the indigenous peoples; while there are many names for the two continents throughout many different cultures, I believe that the universal term used by them is Aztlan, the homeland of the people of Mesoamerica according to the Aztec faith.
No, I mean the island network specifically - I've seen loads of names for them.
 

spendabuck

Banned
No, I mean the island network specifically - I've seen loads of names for them.
Oh; those are usually referred to as the Arawak Islands, after the Arawak Empire (actually, now that I think of it, the empire could be Arawak; they had a pretty good navy and maritime economy, so they could probably conquer the coast of *Mesoamerica and continue from there [though that doesn't explain the Great Plains or Patagonia]; they could also begin colonizing small parts of Africa as in OTL [well, this empire is shown with a bit more land in Africa, but it's the same idea] and ultimately build up a huge navy and conquer parts of Europe).
 

Saphroneth

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Oh; those are usually referred to as the Arawak Islands, after the Arawak Empire (actually, now that I think of it, the empire could be Arawak; they had a pretty good navy and maritime economy, so they could probably conquer the coast of *Mesoamerica and continue from there [though that doesn't explain the Great Plains or Patagonia]; they could also begin colonizing small parts of Africa as in OTL [well, this empire is shown with a bit more land in Africa, but it's the same idea] and ultimately build up a huge navy and conquer parts of Europe).
That's what I was thinking, yes. The collection of bits all over the place suggests a maritime empire, that usually means an island empire, and if they happened to be the first to get really good gunpowder weapons they'd be able to take the Great Plains with relative ease. It's not like any nomads, horse or otherwise, could handle a force of a few thousand infanty with a TTL Mesocaran or Demosthenes rifle.
 
This is obviously a map of the world after a Post-Industrial collapse brought on by rapidly increasing climate change thanks to reckless industrial expansion during the Industrial Revolution. In the Red we see the United Industrial Republics, or the UIR, who believes that the climate change was the act of God and a natural transition of earth. It believes that the behaviors that lead to the disaster to be sacred and as such the republic heavily promotes industry at a reckless expense of the enviroment. In the Green, we see the Ecological United Kingdom or the E.U.K which in contrasts believes that the disaster was an awful miscalculation on the part of humanity and as such seeks to create a harmonious utopia based off of enviromental awareness. It also has extensive bans on industrial manufacturing. This map shows the world in 1879 after thousands of refugees flee from what was the United States into E.U.K controlled Canada. The UIR demanded the EUK to return the refugees calling them "The foul betrayal of god himself!" and after the EUK refused to extradite the refugees the UIR declared war. While the UIR had superior technology and equitment, the EUK had a much higher population owing to it's landmass and measures to reverse the disaster. The EUK pushed through the border with sheer numbers whilst using pre-industrial technology, however a stalemate has been reached around what was the mid-western united states after UIR general Richeula la Guerre performed an encirclement with the aid of armored vehicles which outmanuevered EUK infantry and Calvary in the battle of Dallas. The 1st Ecological Army was obliberated and the advance has stalled ever since. . .
 
This looks like a map of a Second Roman Empire to me . This is clearly obvious as you can see by the empire being originated from Southern Italia. The Romans reconquered Hispania from the Muslims and Goths and Latin is the dominant culture/language there. After the discovery of the America's the Romans conquered a majority of the new world and named it Nova Roma. Why i don't understand is how the hell the lowlands and parts of Francia are apart of this empire. The only clear explanation is dynastic unions through marriage. Also this Empire needs to have conquered northern Italy and North Africa in order for you to have a correct ATL.
 

spendabuck

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This looks like a map of a Second Roman Empire to me . This is clearly obvious as you can see by the empire being originated from Southern Italia. The Romans reconquered Hispania from the Muslims and Goths and Latin is the dominant culture/language there. After the discovery of the America's the Romans conquered a majority of the new world and named it Nova Roma. Why i don't understand is how the hell the lowlands and parts of Francia are apart of this empire. The only clear explanation is dynastic unions through marriage. Also this Empire needs to have conquered northern Italy and North Africa in order for you to have a correct ATL.
If it's a Roman Empire, then why isn't the rest of Italia or, for that matter, Frankia or Graecia, a part of the empire? If Rome is a part of this empire, it's a border city; Rome in the Roman Empire would never be a border city.
 
If it's a Roman Empire, then why isn't the rest of Italia or, for that matter, Frankia or Graecia, a part of the empire? If Rome is a part of this empire, it's a border city; Rome in the Roman Empire would never be a border city.
Graecia came under control of the Byzantines and they became pretenders to the Empire. As for Frankia a Frankish king probably unified them and is ruling over the region. Either the Franks or Germanics are occupying northern Italia. This is obviously the beginning of an ATL where Julius 2.0 comes in and restores Rome proper.
 
Maybe it is not an empire that is growing, but one that is being invaded and falling appart... it used to have Frankia and Italia but lost it to the hordes from the east! South Italia and those territories in Frankia are pockets of resistance... maybe it was centered in Frankia or even in Iberia.
 
If this is alternate history, I can see some PODs that can get something like this.

The most obvious is that the Arabs beat the Chinese to the Eastern continents. In IOTL, it was very close. If the Andulasian Caliphate held together, they could have taken over the native kingdoms instead of China. And with the mineral wealth discovered there, they could have taken other territories, even those islands in the southeast that were also colonized under the Ming. An Arab state based in one of the Eastern continents could also have grown very powerful.

The less obvious but even more intriguing possibility is the Franks not getting wiped out in the great plague. At the time of the plague, they had seized much of Andulasia already and recent archeological discoveries have found that their ships had already reached the Eastern continents, though further north than the territories on this map. The Franks were more advanced than their popular image has it. A Frankish kingdom based in Andulasia could have gotten across the Further Sea as well.

And yes, if the Ming don't restart the great voyages again as in IOTL, and the Arabs or Franks don't get there, maybe you could have had an empire based on the Eastern Continents. I don't think something like shown on the map is likely to come from this, because there simply wasn't much if any contact between the natives on the northern and southern continents before the Chinese arrived.

Andulasia is actually the logical starting points for expeditions moving west across the Further Sea. As for the sliver that isn't covered, that is obviously some sort of tributary state, its rulers probably related by marriage to the rulers of the empire.
 
Looks like an Umayyad colonial empire, though I'm not sure how they blobbed into the Lowlands and elsewhere in Europe. Controlling the *Philippines without controlling (hardly) anything in between seems a bit farcical, maybe they only briefly controlled them? Maybe the Eastern Caliphate remains strong and maintains strong with their Iberian brothers---perhaps a unification of Sunni and Shia in the 13th century, after beating back the Christian crusades? This is the only thing I can see as allowing an Iberia-based sultanate control over such far-flung colonial holdings, via the dar-al-Islam (which would necessarily stretch as far east as Hindustan).
 
There is a possible explanation to that strange area in Hispania which is not conquered. It seems utterly inconceivable how such a large empire cannot conquer such a small state. However, since we do not know the borders of the rest of the world, it is completely possible that every other country on Europe, including that independent land in Hispania could have large empires of its own. That means that the small piece of land is not some tiny nation ripe for the picking, but a large empire on par with the one shown on the map.
 
Why all the Tawantinsuyu-Mexika ideas? The Mexika were doomed and the Tawantinsuyu would rather take the fertile lands in the Southern Plains than Mesoriccia!

I'd say... God it has to be a Hispanic Empire.

What PoD they used it beyond me... Maybe the Catholics are better at defending against the Muslims in Italy and therefore can crusade in Iberia...? But then why isn't Portugal part of it, but Galicia is! This is weird.
 
If this is alternate history, I can see some PODs that can get something like this.

The most obvious is that the Arabs beat the Chinese to the Eastern continents. In IOTL, it was very close. If the Andulasian Caliphate held together, they could have taken over the native kingdoms instead of China. And with the mineral wealth discovered there, they could have taken other territories, even those islands in the southeast that were also colonized under the Ming. An Arab state based in one of the Eastern continents could also have grown very powerful.

The less obvious but even more intriguing possibility is the Franks not getting wiped out in the great plague. At the time of the plague, they had seized much of Andulasia already and recent archeological discoveries have found that their ships had already reached the Eastern continents, though further north than the territories on this map. The Franks were more advanced than their popular image has it. A Frankish kingdom based in Andulasia could have gotten across the Further Sea as well.

And yes, if the Ming don't restart the great voyages again as in IOTL, and the Arabs or Franks don't get there, maybe you could have had an empire based on the Eastern Continents. I don't think something like shown on the map is likely to come from this, because there simply wasn't much if any contact between the natives on the northern and southern continents before the Chinese arrived.

Andulasia is actually the logical starting points for expeditions moving west across the Further Sea. As for the sliver that isn't covered, that is obviously some sort of tributary state, its rulers probably related by marriage to the rulers of the empire.
You seem to be implying that Tawantinsuyu, even after the plagues, isn't an empire...? That's pretty balsy for who I can only assume is an indoctrinated Fusangi who thinks all natives were Stone Age savages.
 
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