DBWI: What if the USA didn't become facist in WWII?

Would the KKK be the powerful orginization it is now would America have lost all the northern states to Canada would that allince with Germany an Italy have formed? Would Japan invade the West coast? Discuss.
 
Well, the US probably wouldn't have been so isolationist as France was overrun by Germany. The German-Russian War only ended after Russia starved itself to death as Stalin kept putting men from the fields into the battle lines, but the US could have done something one way or another, either providing trucks and trains to the Russians (who had neither) or the Germans (who were still moving their artillery by horse).
 
Alaska (and the then-separate Hawaii) would have never seceded to become the "Switzerland of North America'
 
Of course, by extension they also wouldn't have both been reconquered in under a month, and the commercial interests responsible wouldn't have been hung.
 
The U.S. historically had good ties with Great Britain, France, and Ireland. Without the ideological ties to Italy and Germany, America would likely back up the Entente, meaning that the British Isles wouldn't surrender so soon. If the Americans did come into the war, the mobilization would probably deter the Second Mexican War. Would America still split east-west after World War Two? If so, could it remain powerful?
 
There are several things that would have to happen to make your ATL to work:

* The 1918-1921 Spanish Flu Epidemic has to kill fewer people than it did in OTL. With close to 150 million deaths worldwide, the epidemic might have prevented the political and economic instability worldwide....

* Starting in 1880s, fewer European immigrants to cause the weakening of the American bloodlines and the subsequent backlash in the 1920s (OOC: this presumes a rise in the eugenics and racist train of thought)

*Prevention of the political assassinations by Zionists of the 1920s and 1930s such as President-elect Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933), Huey Long (1935), and Charles Lindbergh (1938) ...

* General George S. Patton and the Bonus Army can't have the "March on Washington D.C." in 1936, which led to the Great Army Purges of the late 1930s and early 1940s....

*General Pancho Villa and his forces can't attack San Antonio, TX; Santa Fe, NM; or Phoenix, AZ in the 1920s, causing the military buildup along the American/Mexican border of the 1920s....
 
OOC: or in my case, not a racist train of thought - more a nationalist one, since Canada prefers to define itself as being not American.
 

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Without the ideological ties to Italy and Germany

This is a common misconception. American Facism had nothing to do with the Fascism prevalent throughout much of Europe during this time.

Facism concentrated on faces. Indeed, even today, the Facist Party of the USA uses accordance to symmetry and the Fibonacci Sequence when it is selecting its party leaders.

All in all, I think the USA's loyalty to the Axis is fairly strongly related to the European leaders' ability to maintain the aesthetics of their own facial features. Its no coincidence that the USA so swiftly changed its allegiencies after Hitler and Mussolini met their fates to the handsomely-configured Charles de Gaulle. Perhaps without America's descent into Facism, the ridiculously strong Franco-American Alliance would not be in place today...

OOC: LEARN HOW TO SPELL FASCISM.
 
Of course, by extension they also wouldn't have both been reconquered in under a month, and the commercial interests responsible wouldn't have been hung.

You and I both knw that the reconquest failed despite the taking of lives by the invaders. One wonders what might have happened had the Japanese and Canadians not salvaged the frontier Commonwealth.
 
Some other events that would have to be altered or avoided altogether would be :

* Marcus Garvey's Exodus of African-Americans to Liberia in 1928, served to undermine the work of those "racial miscegenationists and intergrationists" (OOC: remember this is certainly a more racist ATL)...

* The strong electoral following of Eugene V. Debs in the 1916 election emboldened the Socialists, marked them as a possible threat until the late 1930s...

* Henry Ford's (D-MI) failed presidential election bid in 1912 served to alienate many from the American business and merchant class...

* The political writings of H.P. Lovecraft (e.g. The New America) came about only through the lobbying of editor George Sylvester Viereck in 1928, helped to establish the "American model for fascism..."
 
If America hadn't gone facist we'd have some of your awesome M3 Grants.

(And your not-very-awesome-at-all Shermans too.)

Seriously. Britain wouldn't be a superpower. America wouldn't have allowed britain to build an economy and an army healthy enough to invade the Reich in 1956.

(By the way, how's keeping the server secret going?)
 
Would the KKK be the powerful orginization it is now would America have lost all the northern states to Canada would that allince with Germany an Italy have formed? Would Japan invade the West coast? Discuss.

I can't imagine that Canada would have dared to take on the US alone. Some kind of alliance would have to be formed to carve up the US between foreign powers. Canada could take the Great Lakes, Maine, and the former Oregon Territory. Great Britain, the East Coast and much of the former Louisina Territory. Mexico, takes Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. Japan takes California, and maybe the USSR invades Alaska.
But even in this scenario the US would probably not be defeated.
 
I can't imagine that Canada would have dared to take on the US alone. Some kind of alliance would have to be formed to carve up the US between foreign powers. Canada could take the Great Lakes, Maine, and the former Oregon Territory. Great Britain, the East Coast and much of the former Louisina Territory. Mexico, takes Texas, New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Utah. Japan takes California, and maybe the USSR invades Alaska.
But even in this scenario the US would probably not be defeated.
In the scenario, would like to guess that the biggest danger would lie in the forces from Argentina, Chile, and Cuba, who were also members of the Axis. In an ATL, with the U.S. on the side of the Allies, the possibility of invasion along the Gulf Coast becomes likely. Also people forget about the A-10/V-2 rockets that Germany had at its disposal starting in 1946 or the nuclear weapons that it had starting in 1943....
 
This is a common misconception. American Facism had nothing to do with the Fascism prevalent throughout much of Europe during this time.

Facism concentrated on faces. Indeed, even today, the Facist Party of the USA uses accordance to symmetry and the Fibonacci Sequence when it is selecting its party leaders.

All in all, I think the USA's loyalty to the Axis is fairly strongly related to the European leaders' ability to maintain the aesthetics of their own facial features. Its no coincidence that the USA so swiftly changed its allegiencies after Hitler and Mussolini met their fates to the handsomely-configured Charles de Gaulle. Perhaps without America's descent into Facism, the ridiculously strong Franco-American Alliance would not be in place today...

OOC: LEARN HOW TO SPELL FASCISM.

"Facism" is the Modern American spelling of "Fascism". It is exceedingly unfortunate that the movement of "American Facism", focusing on faces, began at about the same time as American "Facism", focusing on the state.
 
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