DBWI: What if the US was a Republic insted of a Monarchy?

I think it would be seen as less prestigious on the eyes of the world. Virtually all states at the time had monarchs, and without one, America or Columbia or United States or whatever name it would have took would be seen as less legitimate after the Independence War. That's just my opinion, since Venice and other nations did not have that problem apparently.
 
Maybe they lose the war of 1812? Henry II. was the only reason the US won upper and lower Canada and Quebec
 
Maybe they lose the war of 1812? Henry II. was the only reason the US won upper and lower Canada and Quebec

I think you mean King Augustus I.

Herny II, was King (1858-1896) during the War of Succession and the early years of the Spanish-American war
 

Congressman

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I like how AlternateHistory.com is based in Mexico, or I would have been in prison a long time ago.

But I would not have been a member of the "Sons of Liberty". No we are not a terrorist group.

We are dedicated to bring freedom to America. Just to be clear I never was involved in any bombings.

Right now I'm in my base in the Republic of Califorina, the freest place on Earth.

OCC: Image the IRA in America
 
It would fall apart, obviously. We all know that the monarchy is the thing that holds the country together. Look what happened to France when it abolished the monarchy- nearly a century of revolutions and counterrevolutions. Without a symbolic center like the monarch, the United States would be nothing- the states would all secede the moment a republic was declared, no doubt- it would be like the Civil War 2.0.
 
Well, it might have stayed neutral in the Great War for one. If Henry (and the royal family in general) wasn't there to start such a strong prussian cultural current US and Germany might not have been close enough for US to enter on the Central powers side. The British Empire was by no means a paper tiger at the time so I don't think the entry was guaranteed. German might not be so widely spoken today either.
 

Kingpoleon

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I read a book once called "The Death Of Democracy", an encrypted book that supposedly defies democracy, even in California. The Sons of Liberty wrote the book, but their big brothers, the Franklin Freemen Fathers, of which I am part of, would not need to be invading America if we hadn't any need to solve the code. Attention, Freedom Fighters in the Imperially German Occupied America: the stool is against the wall. Tommy is on his way home from Tipperary. The Blue Bonnet is worn by Ms. Angela Smith. The One Star has been sighted. The fire is to be lit eight minutes past seven after the quarter. The Sea Lion is about to begin swimming after eight hounds and fourteen mice from now. I repeat, the stool is against the wall.


OOC: Whoever gets the stool reference deserves a cookie.
 
It would fall apart, obviously. We all know that the monarchy is the thing that holds the country together. Look what happened to France when it abolished the monarchy- nearly a century of revolutions and counterrevolutions. Without a symbolic center like the monarch, the United States would be nothing- the states would all secede the moment a republic was declared, no doubt- it would be like the Civil War 2.0.

Yes, I remember reading about the American Civil War myself in California's public schools; we all know how it went, right? The Northern States seceded after Prime Minister William M. Calhoun(a cousin of John C. "Jackboot John" Calhoun, the Scourge of South Carolina), won the rather controversial elections in 1853 and ordered the mass arrests of protesting dissenters in Louisville, Baltimore and several other places, which King Henry II approced wholeheartedly; do keep in mind, btw, that Calhoun was pro-slavery, and Henry II, though officially neutral, was somewhat sympathetic to slave-owning interests on economic grounds(as many conservative Germans in the U.S. were, even as many dissenting liberal Germans went to Texas, and later, California and Cascadia). You Americans can thank HM Queen Caroline for getting Calhoun out of office and for Henry II to (reluctantly) allow the abolitionists to continue their business.....slavery finally ended in 1874, mainly thanks to that.

I like how AlternateHistory.com is based in Mexico, or I would have been in prison a long time ago.

But I would not have been a member of the "Sons of Liberty". No we are not a terrorist group.

We are dedicated to bring freedom to America. Just to be clear I never was involved in any bombings.

Right now I'm in my base in the Republic of Califorina, the freest place on Earth.

OCC: Image the IRA in America

Yes, it certainly is, although Mexico's pretty close these days; in fact, for one example, New Galicia, last I checked, was one of the best places in the world for Sephardi Jews to live. Texas is okay, but they're still recovering from the bad old days of the Eighties under W. Caldwell Simmons.

OOC: Yeah, sorry Fairdowner, but I'm honestly not buying the "Duchy of Texas" bit as plausible; if Mexico doesn't have California, they sure as heck wouldn't have Texas, especially assuming California takes everything west of the Divide.

I read a book once called "The Death Of Democracy", an encrypted book that supposedly defies democracy, even in California. The Sons of Liberty wrote the book, but their big brothers, the Franklin Freemen Fathers, of which I am part of, would not need to be invading America if we hadn't any need to solve the code. Attention, Freedom Fighters in the Imperially German Occupied America: the stool is against the wall. Tommy is on his way home from Tipperary. The Blue Bonnet is worn by Ms. Angela Smith. The One Star has been sighted. The fire is to be lit eight minutes past seven after the quarter. The Sea Lion is about to begin swimming after eight hounds and fourteen mice from now. I repeat, the stool is against the wall.


OOC: Whoever gets the stool reference deserves a cookie.

I've heard of that book, but as it turns out, that book was widely panned by most members of the SoL, as it's author was a fringe "libertarian" kook, especially given economic libertarianism's origins in America(as with so many other bad things beloved of the Western hard right such as racial segregation, institutionalized xenophobia, etc.)
 

Congressman

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Did you guys here, there was a bombing in New York in the last hour.

Let me just say that the Sons of Liberty has no official statement at this time.
 
Did you guys here, there was a bombing in New York in the last hour.

Let me just say that the Sons of Liberty has no official statement at this time.

Yeah, and as the Governor was just ordering more crackdowns on Latino protestors, too......

OOC: I imagine that it's quite possible that anti-Latino racism might actually be worse IOTL, with anti-black racism not so bad as IOTL by TTL 2014.....depending on what the original poster says, though.
 
Well, using my own nation as an example, odds are Ireland wouldn't be a monarchy. A successful republican rebellion might have inspired similar sentiments over here. Instead, Irish national sentiment remained intertwined with monarchism, then after the First European War we got a younger brother of then-American King Rudolf I as King John I of Ireland. Thus changing one lot of foreign overlords for another... The Sean Bhean Bhocht...forever in thrall to the Gallda.

OOC: For the purposes of this TL, my character is a member in good standing of the Irish Republican Movement, a group like OTL's Australian Republicans except that they also fancy themselves warrior-poet types and drop the cúpla focail at the drop of a hat. Oh, and largely come from the middle classes :D
 
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Kingpoleon

Banned
Did you guys here, there was a bombing in New York in the last hour.

Let me just say that the Sons of Liberty has no official statement at this time.
The Franklin Freeman Fathers request permission for our official statement to be a co-operative statement between both branches. In the meantime, we would like to say the Bombing of Wall Street is ours. As for the other bombings, I either do not have access to comment on them, or they were definitely committed by a different organization. Attention, people who wish for freedom. Occupy Wall Street.
OOC: My character is of a noble family, son of one of the counts and the daughter of a Duke. However, I co-lead the Franklin Freeman Fathers as a Director of the Freedom Board.
 
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