Since there has been some controversy in Rhomania with the publication of “History of the Fidios Dynasty”. What would it be like if Osman’s family hadn’t become Greek and eventually gained the throne of Caesars.
Although the ERE did adopt Islam it synthesised it with Orthodox Christianity which made it a heretic sect amongst Islam. Kiev may have been absorbed by an orthodox Novgorod if support from Rhomania hadn’t been a thing.For starters, Islam would have remained an "Asian" religion. There wouldn't have been any anti-Rhomanian crusades; I doubt that the Great Schism would be enough to move the Holy See to call for a crusade against Rhomania. But when the ERE ultimately embraced Islam as its state religion... well, we know what happened.
Come to think of it: in such a scenario, there probably wouldn't be a Sultanate of Kiev, either.
Although the ERE did adopt Islam it synthesised it with Orthodox Christianity which made it a heretic sect amongst Islam. Kiev may have been absorbed by an orthodox Novgorod if support from Rhomania hadn’t been a thing.
Speaking of which, Bulgaria and Serbia wouldn’t bleed each other to death so they could claim to be the Third Rome which ultimately led to Basil III Megas conquering them in 1453. They may be independent in this TLCertainly, Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims regard the "Byzantine Islam" as a heresy, but not moreso than they consider each other to be heretical, as well. I think the common view nowadays is that Byzantine Islam is as legitimate as the other two major branches of the faith.
I agree about Orthodox Novgorod being a good contender for southern expansion in the ATL.
And Orthodox Christianity moved northward as result. With Patriarchy of Novgorod being founded.Sultanate of Kiev
If the Ottomans were less Hellenised, there definitely wouldn't have been coffee shops in 18th century Europe during the Enlightenment -- it would be seen as too foreign by the Christians.I imagine that it could lead to an entirely different culinary culture. Hard to imagine the Turks without their love of baklava, strong coffee or fasolada.
When Osman migrated to Byzantine Western Anatolia instead of staying as in OTLOOC: When did the Ottomans Hellenize?
What if a steady depopulation and resettlement of Anatolia by the Turks occurred, the Greeks would be forced into Hellas and perhaps Macedonia.ASB. Greek was a highly developed and influential culture. There is no way that the Girls were ever going to maintain their own culture once they entered into the Greek sphere. It's often said that children grow up speaking the language of their mothers, after all and so Hellenization was assured.
Maybe you could maintain the Turkish identity if they moved North of the Caucus though.
What if a steady depopulation and resettlement of Anatolia by the Turks occurred, the Greeks would be forced into Hellas and perhaps Macedonia.
Well, you already saw this in OTL. After Manzikert there was a steady depopulation in central Anatolia. And yet the Turks were Hellenized withing a couple generations. Turkish identity was doomed the moment they settled down next to the more advanced Greeks - thats just the way history works (and don't bother bringing up England - that is, at best, the exception thst proves the rule. And some archeologists are now theorizing that part of England may have been heavily Germanized during the Roman period).
(OOC: Sorry guys, totally satirizing those people who same similar arguments in OTL, despite evidence to the contrary)
(OOC- Part of England Germanised during the Roman Period? Interesting and where exactly?)
True but they didn't really bother to be a continuation state beyond the trappings and kept a lot of Turkish concepts like harems so they were less hellenized than most other states that had Greek contact.OOC: re Skallagrim's first post well this one went off the rails quickly. IOTL the Ottomans did become Hellenized pretty much (Turkey is a Greek-Persian fusion) except of course for Islam.
True but they didn't really bother to be a continuation state beyond the trappings and kept a lot of Turkish concepts like harems so they were less hellenized than most other states that had Greek contact.