DBWI What if the Cuban missile war didn't happen

My slightly modified version of Amerigo Vespucci Cuban Missile war.

we all know how the war went down. The USSR tried to put missiles on Cuba the US didn't want them to and after a Sov sub launched a nuclear torpedo. It was war. From an American Invasion of Cuba to a naval war in the oceans to a Soviet invasion of Europe. Soon enough nukes flow the USSR and much of Europe was reduced to ruin so was several US cities. Today the French and whatever remained of the Germans, Dutch and Belgians and the former government in exile of the East Europeans states are still reabsorbing city states and America and China are facing off in cold war 2. So what if this war never happens if Europe isn't reduced to 3rd world status if the USSR isn't just some massive radioactive parking lot what happens if the Chinese don't suddenly have millions of kilometers of empty land ripe for the taking.
 
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It could have been worse, much worse.

America and europe was on a higher allert then the soviets when things went to hell and we were able to strike soviet air fields and missle bases quickly, at least 80% of their nukes were taken out early. Then came the effort to take out as many of their bombers as possible, because thank god we destroyed most of the missles.

While of course hitting them harder and harder.

Germany suffered the worst of it, England lost half their navy but they were the luckiest of europe only losing London, the RAF and the Royal navy deserves a lot of credit for that. Over all it was a disaster but it was an envitable disaster, Russia has always been an expansionist power an agressive power. They were mad dogs, and sooner or later they were going to have to be put down.

Looking back on it, Looking at how europe is still recovering, Id say Churchill was right, we should have ennacted operation downfall.
 
Europe would be definitely on much better condition. But it is possible that if on some reason Soviets would had withdraw back they would attack later.

At least Finland suffered fewer than USSR altough it took hits from both sides quiet badly. Lapland is still mostly wasteland but government of Finland believes that it can return to Helsinki by 2027. Generally Scandinavia is on better condition than Germany. Norway hit badly and Denmark was almost destroyed and it is now part of Sweden. Without Cuban Missile War Soviet Union might be still exist and Finland would be pretty dependent from USSR.
 
Well it did finish off decoloinization in Africa, Asia-Pacific and the Caribbean, to this day I am amazed how spared East Asia was compared to Europe and Russia
 
I have to wonder if the Cuban Missile War hadn't happened, would a worse war have happened later? Perhaps with a Soviet Union that had reached nuclear parity with the United States? As it is, America lost a number of cities and tens of millions of people, but survived as a country and culture--might it be that if the CMW hadn't happened, nothing would be left now?
 
Then maybe I wouldn't have to ride to Free City of Strzelce Opolskie only to get access to the internet. Thank you so much, Americans. Did you really have to nuke cities that you surely can't even spell?
Even if lack of Cuban Missile War would lead to the worse war later, it would be preferable. At least in this situation maybe mankind would die out. Missile war was just a job half-done.
Or maybe anti-missile systems would be improved, and more missiles would be taken out before knocking down millions of people.
 
The Soviets attacked American warships with a nuke, then they (or their Cuban allies) directly attacked the USA itself with battlefield nukes, and then finally both launched an invasion of Western Europe and launched a nuclear first strike at both America and Europe. Whatever America's faults, were they supposed to not respond? And given the nature of the Soviet beast, if they got it into their heads that nuking their "allies" was a good thing, they'd do it--they did, after all, do a nasty job on the Chinese, their alleged communist co-workers.

And do you really want to have the human race go extinct?
 
OOC: A nuclear war in the early 60s is not gonna cause humanity to go extinct.

Yes, I know, I was referencing a comment by a previous poster who seemed to think that a bigger war than the CMW "would be preferable", because then maybe "humankind would die out". I was asking him if he really wanted that.
 
News: The Netherlands has just reabsorbed the city-state of Vlagtwedde finalizing the reunification of the Netherlands.
 
Would Jim Crow end earlier or later without the Cuban Missile War? Say what you want about LBJ, but at least he ended that foul institution.
 
Would Jim Crow end earlier or later without the Cuban Missile War? Say what you want about LBJ, but at least he ended that foul institution.

Probably later. JFK wasn't too brave make such decision. LBJ was able to push Civil Right Act. And probably WW3 helped make moderate Southerners more cooperative with the issue.
 
Yeah well, we were lucky that MLK managed to survive the war. Plus LBJ was a southerner and had the connections to ram the bill through JFK didn't
 

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Then maybe I wouldn't have to ride to Free City of Strzelce Opolskie only to get access to the internet. Thank you so much, Americans. Did you really have to nuke cities that you surely can't even spell?
Even if lack of Cuban Missile War would lead to the worse war later, it would be preferable. At least in this situation maybe mankind would die out. Missile war was just a job half-done.
Or maybe anti-missile systems would be improved, and more missiles would be taken out before knocking down millions of people.

Well This whole thing wouldnt have happened if it werent for your lecherous ideology of communism which would grant people wealth from other people, wealth that they did not earn nor deserve.
If we only crushed you Under our boots like Mccarthy Wanted this wouldnt have happened. But no we had to say bullshit about democracy and stuff. That situation has fortunately been recognized under President Warren

ooc:( its name of some american politician so i dont know if he is good fit)
 
Well This whole thing wouldnt have happened if it werent for your lecherous ideology of communism which would grant people wealth from other people, wealth that they did not earn nor deserve.
If we only crushed you Under our boots like Mccarthy Wanted this wouldnt have happened. But no we had to say bullshit about democracy and stuff. That situation has fortunately been recognized under President Warren

ooc:( its name of some american politician so i dont know if he is good fit)

Oh, don't worry about that, we also regret that you didn't listen McCarthy. Maybe you would be able to get victory without vaporizing Europa. At least my family tree now looks complete - one grandfather killed by nazis, second grandfather killed by Soviets, uncles killed by Americans. Even German part of my family is still 'missing', though I'm not sure who exactly bombed them.

And no, I don't think that USA shouldn't respond. I'm just kind of angry that, you know, all those fancy-shmancy nukes almost finished us for good. Also, sorry for a rant about humanity extinction. I've got a bit too fierce after reading about last events in Estonia.
At least maybe we'll see united Europe, if this new French plan will work out. Too bad that we needed to be turned into a sea of rubble to achieve that. I wonder if any of the Russian 'governments' will want to join it too... and if USA and France will let them.
 
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