DBWI: What if the Balkans iberianized and the Iberian peninsula didn't?

IC: Like the title says, what would have happened if the Balkans had iberianized and the Iberian peninsula had remained relatively unified (in say two or three nations)? How would this happen in the first place, and what would the affect on history be? I'm not even sure what a POD would be for keeping the Iberian Peninsula intact, since it has always been so unstable. But iberianizing the Balkans isn't that hard, maybe if the Pristina Incident spiraled out of control the Balkans could have split into a bazillion pieces like the Iberian Peninsula did in OTL. Any other ideas?

OOC: This is from a TL where the Iberian Peninsula has balkanized (thus the term "iberianized") and the Balkans has formed a few larger more stable nations.
 
The idea of a unified Iberia died when Isabella of Castile died in childbirth in 1470. I suppose if she hadn't, we might have seen Iberia unify, and perhaps even of thrown the Moors out of Granada.

Probably would've been a better world if Iberia unified. I heard it's full of extremists, especially in Léon.
 
The idea of a unified Iberia died when Isabella of Castile died in childbirth in 1470. I suppose if she hadn't, we might have seen Iberia unify, and perhaps even of thrown the Moors out of Granada.

Probably would've been a better world if Iberia unified. I heard it's full of extremists, especially in Léon.
Taking out Granada certainly would have been a big help for Iberia's fortunes; that would have denied the Barbary Pirates and all the Islamic bandits and raiders that plagued southern Iberia a safe base of operations.
 
The idea of a unified Iberia died when Isabella of Castile died in childbirth in 1470. I suppose if she hadn't, we might have seen Iberia unify, and perhaps even of thrown the Moors out of Granada.
OOC: Why should a dead child lead to unification, Did she did something usefull till her death, so she is well known? (I'm not sure how old she got till she married or kicked the Arabs out.)

I would go the other way around. As I know iberia has today many different cultures. From Arabic in the South to celtian(Euskadi)in the North. The interessting thing is that the south is mosly homogenian Arabic while its the north wihch is really iberianized...

So If the Arabs would conquer the whole penisula most of them would assimillated in to the arabic culture. So there would only one Arabic country.

Btw how du you want to seperate the Balkan? I mean they are all Slavs, why should they seperate? I think it's easier to get Bohemia away of Germany than iberianized the Balkan.
 
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OOC: She died in child birth. She was married to Ferdinand of Aragon, and their marriage had unified Castile and Aragon. With her death, the two kingdoms are no longer connected. They married in 1469 and captured Granada in 1492 in OTL.

Although having the Arabs capture the whole of the pennisula might unify it, it would hardly assimilate the north, they're Christians and speak a variety of dialects. Although the Valencians were Islamized, they're still different from the Arabs and have more in common with their more northern cousins. They're only connection with the Arabs is their religion.
 
I'm pretty interested on how we can break things up on the Balkan side. I guess we can start things off by not having the Council of Scupi [1] which reconciled the Greek and Latin Churches. Remember that the Balkans was (and still is) the 'border' region where the Greek and Latin traditions mix.

Without the council, these two traditions would end up trying to upstage each other. Furthermore, there would be no unified front to fight the Arabs from the East and across the sea, and we might even see the Roman Empire [2] fall to these Arabs. Imagine a third religion factoring into the mix.

OOC:
[1] Scupi = Skopje, Macedonia
[2] This refers to OTL Byzantine Empire
 
OOC: She died in child birth. She was married to Ferdinand of Aragon, and their marriage had unified Castile and Aragon. With her death, the two kingdoms are no longer connected. They married in 1469 and captured Granada in 1492 in OTL.

Although having the Arabs capture the whole of the pennisula might unify it, it would hardly assimilate the north, they're Christians and speak a variety of dialects. Although the Valencians were Islamized, they're still different from the Arabs and have more in common with their more northern cousins. They're only connection with the Arabs is their religion.

OOC: Sry, I misread, I through that you wrote that she died as a child...

The Arabs had a strong Islamization in Iberia. As i know they sayed to Christians that if they don't convert they will kill them. So I think as long the Christians don't intervent in Iberia soon or later evan the Hardcore Christs will become Muslims. The Convert to Islam lead to an Arabification, like in the northern Afrika. Maybe there will be small regional differences but I think that they aren't important.

To the Balkan: The Congress of Scupi was necressary, There were many powers that wanted a piece from the Balkans. Hungary from the North While the Romans are coming from the East. Maybe if both were fast enouth or could conquer the Balkan, befor Hte HRE decited that a strong Hungary beneath its borders isn't nice, it would destroy the Congress. The Balkan would be in two parts A Catholic and an Orhodox part. But I don't belief that it can iberized in more than 2 Parts.
And Muslims in the Balkan is imo ASC[1], I don't think that they could cross the Bosperus. Maybe conquer Asia Minor[2] but not more...

[1] Alien Space Cat :D
[2] Turkey
 
The Balkans could have been unified and remained so under either the Bulgars or the Serbs, either one consolidating their position as heir to the Byzantines in the region

Another alternative is Charles of Anjou and his descendants

Or have the Latin Empire achieve something...though that one is rather harder in the short term! In the longer term it allows a process such as in France where the feudal lordships are subsumed back into the central state

Best Regards
Grey Wolf
 
The Balkans could have been unified and remained so under either the Bulgars or the Serbs, either one consolidating their position as heir to the Byzantines in the region

Another alternative is Charles of Anjou and his descendants

Or have the Latin Empire achieve something...though that one is rather harder in the short term! In the longer term it allows a process such as in France where the feudal lordships are subsumed back into the central state

Best Regards
Grey Wolf


OOC: This is a DBWI, the Balkans are united in TTL. We're talking about uniting Iberia and destroying the Balkan state.
 
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