What would the world be like today if that American Rebellion won? Those yanks being left alone in their own little hemisphere seems a frightening aspect.
This POD requires some major war somewhere else deviding the might of the British Empire. Cut of from the suply of setlers convicts and poor law deportees in Britain the now independent American colonies will grow alot slower probably never expanding beyond the Misisipi. I doubt the praposed federal government will last long as being a nation founded on the idea of secesion and independence whats to stop the states from declaring independence from eachover due to the slightest disagreement. Undoubtably they will eventually be swolowed up by the still loyal colonies which will be growing at a much faster rate.
Well, there's nothing that really says they can't reform to a more centralized government when they realized that their current system couldn't work, like what happened with the Boers OTL.
*Facepalm* Sure, the Emperor of France selling a key colony to the pissant little backwoods republic a free America would be. What next, independent America becomes as strong as the British Empire? Even if Napoleon would be willing to sell, they'll most likely have no ability to afford it. Think how big of a war debt they'd have combined with the fact I don't even think their plan was to allow the central government taxation powers.Also, as to not expanding past the Mississippi, don't forget the Louisiana Territory that we took from Napoleon. With independent American Colonies he might just sell it to them for funds and to keep it from falling into British hands as it did in OTL.
it wouldn't last. The British would have reconquered them, or the French or the Spanish would have taken the colonies. Probably the rebels would have begged the British to let them back and protect them from the French or the Spanish.
The Dominions are essentially independent nations in and of themselves; they just have to answer to their higher nations to varying degrees (British North America/the North American Union is a Dominion with relative independence for goodness sake, as is the French parallel in Indochina). And many non European nations have worked. IE, China, Japan (which is very successful), Alaskya, the Republic of Mexico, Gran Colombia, Brazil, Deseret (granted, the crown did create that nation as a puppet during the Anglo-Mexican war*), etc.. Many of the Spanish colonies did return to the crown, however, many didn't (which I believe I covered).Independent countries outside Europe don't work. We have this experiment of the Australian dominion (and that wasn't a real Independence) that only lasted for twenty years. Or the rebellion of Spanish colonies during the First Republic and how they asked for being accepted again in the motherland when the monarchy was reinstated.
There are no apartheid laws in the modern day save ever more dwindling parts in South Africa and in certain areas of the southern British North America/the North American Union (which is out of racism in those areas, not the laws as the laws are staunchly supportive of Negro civil rights and equality in the North American Union, which many southerners still won't recognize sadly), so I'm not sure where you are in the Empire or what they are telling you there. You'd likely see the same thing when the slaves were freed in an independent America as with the British. Racist whites attack them on occasion, troops ensure that doesn't happen, and laws are made to protect their freedom and equality and it becomes a social issue. Repatriation back to Africa may be a passing fancy, but I doubt it'd come. The Negroes were as "American" as their former masters, even if said masters couldn't see it. It'd be like returning the Americans back to Liverpool, and having the people there all speak French. It'd be a total culture shock.Hmm I supose the Americans would not have access to the Empires African colonies for repatriation so that would bring up the problem of what to do with the slaves if they were freed. I cant imagine people accepting free blacks walking around white areas wherever they please. Even today its only a few loons who want to get rid of the Empires apartite system and race laws put in place whan slavery ended.
The Americans would be incapable of working with eachother. They were the citizens of their colony first, "Americans" second. They'll bicker and any union will collapse.
*Facepalm* Sure, the Emperor of France selling a key colony to the pissant little backwoods republic a free America would be. What next, independent America becomes as strong as the British Empire? Even if Napoleon would be willing to sell, they'll most likely have no ability to afford it. Think how big of a war debt they'd have combined with the fact I don't even think their plan was to allow the central government taxation powers.
They would work together in the rebellion, and they did work together for that limited goal of independence at that time. But that's as far as you'll get. I'm talking about as a national unit post war.In OTL yes, and that's one of the reasons they lost. In the ATL we're positing though, they won. That would require them to work together to the point that nationalism could plausibly set in.
I doubt Colonies would not have the ability to pay off their war debt in such short order. While they may have had resources, many of the world markets in the ATL don't seem to me like they'd be privy to accepting them and the British would likely flood the market to destroy an American economy or something like that (if Britain can't conquer, it'll destroy by other means). Likewise, economic recovery would require colonial agreement, and the colonies were generally unable or hard pressed to reach a consensus whenever they had to. And they are no longer colonies, so I ask you not say that. They are a Dominion of the British Empire (colloquially known as British North America and officially known as the North American Union). Plus, we didn't buy Louisiana from Napoleon. We had our troops sweep in, occupy it, and claim it during the Napoleonic wars. So any willingness to sell is only conjecture really.Also, don't forget that the Colonies were extremely lucrative then and remain so to this day. If they can get their shit together then there's enough time between the Rebellion and Napoleon's rise for it to have paid off it's debts. And the Louisiana is only a vital colony to us, after we took it from Napolean, as you say, it only had fur traders at the time.
Quote Emperor Norton 1:
"The Americans would have fallen apart anyway."
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I doubt it. I see the United States of America eventually becoming a good nation. In fact, I bet they would have helped us defeat Nazi Germany, which we could not do on our own.... We wouldn't have those Nazis we hear about every day.
And what the hell is a Nazi? quote]
Southern slang for the national republican germens party [don’t ask me why] there a bunch of secessionist nut jobs from Florida who want a "Germanic American republic" sometimes called Nazi Germany. If memory serves they where founded by a group of first generation Hanoverian immigrants following the two kingdoms immigration act. As for the problems I’m guessing he’s referring to the race riots in the 80s or maybe even the undiplomatic actions of there first elected councilor towards the visiting ambassador of new Spain last month.
well, that's about half right... the northern colonies could probably all get along, and the southern colonies could probably all get along, but I'm not sure the northern and southern colonies could get along with each other; they were fairly different in culture and lifestyle. I'd bet that even if the two halves cooperated and achieved their independence, they'd break into two separate nations right afterwards.The Americans would be incapable of working with eachother. They were the citizens of their colony first, "Americans" second. They'll bicker and any union will collapse.
The Americans would have had a big selling point to draw over immigrants: land, lots of it. Before the war, free (or nearly free) land drew over thousands of people, and not just Britain (I'm pretty sure a bunch of Germans settled somewhere in the northern half). Of course, after the war, the Brits retaliated against the rebels by severely restricting immigration and effectively outlawing immigration from other European nations... but a free America would likely encourage it from anywhere. So, the LA territory would eventually be filled... but it's hard to say where they'd go after that. Maybe the Americans could challenge Spain after that nation's sorry decline in the 19th century, and take some or all of that northern part of Mexico....And even if for some farcicle reason the French do sell the louisiana teritory how are the Americans going to populate it when they have cut of there supply of settlers from Britain.