Remember when Donald Trump campaigned for Bush during the 2008 primary?
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DBWI: What if Kelsey Grammer was an actor?
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Remember when Donald Trump campaigned for Bush during the 2008 primary?
(OOC: Twitter has a 150 character limit ITTL on account of me not making this tweet less than 140)
IIRC, didn't it turn out Grammar had snubbed Trump at some point and that was why he campaigned so hard for Bush? Wouldn't go to his golf course or something
You guys forget about the huge bump in numbers Christian Science gained when Grammar became preisdent from only 965 people tor around 1 percent of the us population is incredible growth for a religion in only eight years .
OOC: Oooh, I can definitely buy Arnie as a highly respected four-star general. I suppose that the "If only he was born here, we would totally elect him president" sentiment is a lot stronger ITTL.
I'd recommend Warren in 2012 - she'd only be 63 at that point, and she comes from a more liberal wing of the party then the centrist Clintons and Gore, which is probably what the base are pushing for ITTL, the same way that that's what they're pushing for after sixteen (albeit non-consecutive) years of Clinton and Obama IOTL.
Sherrod Brown in 2016 - an extension of the move to the left that happened in 2012. He wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college, meaning that Kasich has his work cut out for him to get reelected in 2020.
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Who else but New York actor and comedian, John Lithgow, could have played the iconic role?
OOC: In this TTL it would be nice for Arnie to join the US army when emigrated and raise through the ranks in his 40 year career. The separation in 2011 was put down to honourable disagreements between married couple.
Schwarzenegger did spend twelve or eighteen months in reservist training in the Austrian Army
I can't picture anyone but Lithgow as Frasier. It's a shame they wrote him out of the show so soon. I'm sorry, but Grammer is ten years younger than Lithgow, and Frasier is a licensed and respected psychiatrist. A younger actor would be hard to believe.
Speaking of Cheers, I can picture Grammer as Woody. The idea of stoic, intellectual Kelsey Grammer as naive, simplistic Woody Boyd just seems funny to me. He doesn't have the "bar patron" look of Norm, the athleticism of Sam, or the maturity of Frasier. Picturing Grammer opposite Dansen, Lithgow, and Ratzenberger just feels right. The only question is, would the character be Kelsey Boyd, like how Woody is named after his actor?
(OOC: IOTL, John Ratzenberger auditioned for Norm, but then the character Cliff Clavin was created based on his recommendation for a "know-it-all". ITTL, Ratzenberger is cast as Norm and Cliff does not exist. I imagine that besides Lithgow as Frasier and Ratzenberger as Norm, all main characters are the same as OTL unless anyone has an interesting recast. Also, I imagine no Frasier spinoff)
His simple campaign slogan was so effective and caught on everywhere.
Such a talent would've been wasted outside of politics.
Such a talent would've been wasted outside of politics.
Let's not forget that when Charlie Crist wanted to run for Governor of Florida, President Grammer worked behind the scenes to ensure he got the Republican nomination. Must have worked because all those wealthy donors convinced Marco Rubio to quit the race and accept Crist's offer as his running mate.
Right now, polls show Lt. Governor Rubio in the lead for the 2018 Republican nomination for Governor.
Right now, polls show Lt. Governor Rubio in the lead for the 2018 Republican nomination for Governor.
Cheers is a interesting possibility, but why Fraser ? I can't see Grammar as a comic actor & especially not with the Frasier scripts.
I think he'd been good on Mad Men. Could have played about any character on any hospital or medical drama. Played a Irish mobster on Sopranos.
I think he'd been good on Mad Men. Could have played about any character on any hospital or medical drama. Played a Irish mobster on Sopranos.
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OOC: For the Terminator, they could have tried the alternate actor that the studio offered, O.J. Simpson, after Sylvester Stallone and Mel Gibson declined the role. As the Terminator wiki page states 'Cameron [the director] did not feel that Simpson would be believable as a killer'.
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Lots of actors could have covered those parts. Central casting has a dozen with the killer face, & deadpan delivery.
OOC Total Recall was in development for nearly a decade before it was made, with Richard Dreyfus, William Hurt and Patrick Swayze considered for the lead. Maybe here David Cronenberg's version got made.
I know Pres. Grammer is a Star trek fan, assuming he went into television or movies rather than the stage, is it possible he could have landed a role on one of the spinoffs? Perhaps as Commander Riker on TNG instead of Scott Bakula or Captain Archer on Enterprise instead of John Frakes? I'm certain he would have jumped at any chance to be on the show even if it was just as Security Guard #2.