DBWI: What if Hitler was never accepted into art school?

Is this version of Mussolini also as massively successful a totalitarian as this Hitler is and manages to conquer most of the Mediterranian area with his New Roman Army?

Nope, he is a flamboyant buffoon who is constantly bailed out by his German friend. His crowning achievements are conquering Ethiopia and not losing Libya to an Arab revolt. At least he has a nice supervillain lair.

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(Italian Ministry of Propaganda ITTL. WTF Author)
 
Sounds very insulting to Italians and borderline racist. Might as well have the Mafia helping run things too to round out Italian stereotypes and supposed Italian ideas.
 
Sounds very insulting to Italians and borderline racist. Might as well have the Mafia helping run things too to round out Italian stereotypes and supposed Italian ideas.

Well, if it makes you feel better the Italian army is portrayed as a brave and skilled fighting force (and much nicer than the ATL Germans, lacking the racism and with toned down xenophobia). Their only issue is that they have really crappy leadership (minus the occaisional tactical wizard, an example ITTL being Italo Balbo) and an even crappier logistics department .
 
Doesn't change the fact that it was clearly a blantant ASB German-wank. Well, up to the "Winter of 1941" part. It was hinted that the "German Reich" had just bitten off more than it can chew and was beginning to experience overstretch - with the implication that it would be the beginning of their downfall. Still an entertaining read though - thanks for the name by the way, gonna reading that wonderful implausible butterflyfest again.

On the contrary I would say it was a German-screw at least , he later restarted the thread (you must have missed it) and it continues until just after the war. Germany is so hated at the end (After murdering tens of millions of innocent people in cold blood that does follow) that Germany loses all of East Prussia and other land. What is left of Germany is broken into two nation-states, Germans who have been living in various parts of Eastern Europe for centuries (including East Prussia!) are kicked into East Germany which winds up a complete puppet of the USSR.
 
Well, if it makes you feel better the Italian army is portrayed as a brave and skilled fighting force (and much nicer than the ATL Germans, lacking the racism and with toned down xenophobia). Their only issue is that they have really crappy leadership (minus the occaisional tactical wizard, an example ITTL being Italo Balbo) and an even crappier logistics department .

Agreed, according to the ATL many Germans turn into war mongering, blood thirsty psychopaths who murder millions of men, women and children in cold blood , Not only Jews but Gypsies and Slavs for some reason. He has Stalin for some reason make a deal in dividing Poland even after Hitler writes a book in TTL saying Germany should invade Russia, enslave the Slavs and rule over the Russians in such a way as to make Antebellum Southern slaveowners puke. You would think this would be the last person Stalin would make a deal with. Stalin might have been a mass murdering psycho but that doesn't mean he wanted to risking being ousted from power by another mass murdering psycho.
 
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On the contrary I would say it was a German-screw at least , he later restarted the thread (you must have missed it) and it continues until just after the war. Germany is so hated at the end (After murdering tens of millions of innocent people in cold blood that does follow) that Germany loses all of East Prussia and other land. What is left of Germany is broken into two nation-states, Germans who have been living in various parts of Eastern Europe for centuries (including East Prussia!) are kicked into East Germany which winds up a complete puppet of the USSR.

Just re-read it till the end. Holy crap man. On the bright side Hitler is dead, the Nazis are out of power, (West) Germany is a sane liberal democracy willingly making amends (the Germans as a whole become atoners post-war), Italy is a democratic republic (debatable considering the Savoias are pretty good monarchs) and Japan of all places becomes a Pro-Western Constitutional Monarchy (at the price of their cities in rubble with two of them being nuked).

However now half of Europe is now at the mercy of Stalinist Russia, China has fallen to the red tide, and in Korea the first shots of a new war had just been fired.

Damn, implausible AF (thankfully it got moved to the ASB section) but fun to read too. Pity it's a semi-dystopic (and possibly Germanophobic) TL.
 
Actually, I remember some people being amazed that guy wasn't kicked or banned for bigotry against the Germans, Italians, Poles, and Russians. Amazing there wasn't anti-Irish or anti-Catholic sentiment thrown in there, and the Jews were portrayed as victims who did nothing to deserve it. But otherwise, it sometimes seemed like an old Great War vet who hates all non-Protestant non-Anglo-Saxon immigrants writing a TL.
 
Just re-read it till the end. Holy crap man. On the bright side Hitler is dead, the Nazis are out of power, (West) Germany is a sane liberal democracy willingly making amends (the Germans as a whole become atoners post-war), Italy is a democratic republic (debatable considering the Savoias are pretty good monarchs) and Japan of all places becomes a Pro-Western Constitutional Monarchy (at the price of their cities in rubble with two of them being nuked).

However now half of Europe is now at the mercy of Stalinist Russia, China has fallen to the red tide, and in Korea the first shots of a new war had just been fired.

Damn, implausible AF (thankfully it got moved to the ASB section) but fun to read too. Pity it's a semi-dystopic (and possibly Germanophobic) TL.

Semi-dystopic? Half of Europe winds up under the boot heel of Stalin and Korea is split in two (the author seems to like to split countries in two) ruled by another Communist psychopath as blood thirsty as Stalin and Japan was psycho enough to launch a sneak attack on the United States during peace negotiations and winds up being nuked twice. Although I agree that it was the correct decision to move it to the ASB Section I think that might be why people missed its continuation. They expected to find it in this forum.

Possibly Germanophobic? He did everything short of giving all Germans a monocle, the mustache you see mostly in silent picture villains, and their own evil lair. I think he just hates Germans.
 
Possibly Germanophobic? He did everything short of giving all Germans a monocle, the mustache you see mostly in silent picture villains, and their own evil lair. I think he just hates Germans.

Well, he did include a few "Good Germans". There's the commander of the "Afrika Korps" who fights the British honourably and is later forced by Hitler into commiting suicide (due to suspiscion of treason, he was too universally liked to try and execute), that Colenel who tried to overthrow Hitler and restore democracy and got shot for it, and let's not forget that Industrialist who ended up saving 10,000 jews from a death camp. That and the German people in general are in some sense portrayed as victims of the Hitler regime (particularly the children, that "Hitler Youth" child soldier scene actually moved me to tears.)
 
Well, he did include a few "Good Germans". There's the commander of the "Afrika Korps" who fights the British honourably and is later forced by Hitler into commiting suicide (due to suspiscion of treason, he was too universally liked to try and execute), that Colenel who tried to overthrow Hitler and restore democracy and got shot for it, and let's not forget that Industrialist who ended up saving 10,000 jews from a death camp. That and the German people in general are in some sense portrayed as victims of the Hitler regime (particularly the children, that "Hitler Youth" child soldier scene actually moved me to tears.)

True, that scene where he sends 12 year olds with rifles against Russian Veterans with tanks is pretty moving. I guess being half-German myself made me somewhat annoyed. Although interesting the picture a lot of people with the national background , my father is German, being largely portrayed as mass murdering fiends is not pleasant one , I assure you.
 
True, that scene where he sends 12 year olds with rifles against Russian Veterans with tanks is pretty moving.

Just shows how evil that guy was (in the ATL, wonder how OTL guy would react to him). Neither Japan or even Stalin himself ever did such a thing. I mean, the author created such an inhumanly evil character that I am now fearing for his mental state.
 
Just shows how evil that guy was (in the ATL, wonder how OTL guy would react to him).

With revulsion I would imagine. Like many people of his time period he was anti-Sematic but there is nothing in his background showing him to be a mass murdering butcher. He was a painter for God's sake, not a hardened thug.
 
I can't imagine why someone would imagine major German cities like Breslau and Königsberg being completely purged of their centuries long German history, with the excuse of "all Germans are deported" (although it was pointed out that would've caused a huge suffering of the people expelled from those lands). Although the TL was nicely dystopic. According to that TL, Königsberg is now a city almost entirely inhabited by Russians, named after some random Russian communist?

With revulsion I would imagine. Like many people of his time period he was anti-Sematic but there is nothing in his background showing him to be a mass murdering butcher. He was a painter for God's sake, not a hardened thug.

Well, he apparently knew Anton Drexler, that one far-right leader in post-war Germany. But Drexler being German dictator and mass murderer is almost as crazy as this artist Hitler being German dictator and mass murderer. His German Workers' Party, at their most powerful, gained only half a dozen Reichstag representatives, under Germany's very liberal laws for election, which are ridiculously easy for minor parties to gain seats. They weren't even the biggest nationalist party then.

So Drexler inviting some random artist into his party isn't going to suddenly make the German Workers' Party become massively successful, let alone mean Drexler will yield his leadership to this guy.
 
Well, he apparently knew Anton Drexler, that one far-right leader in post-war Germany. But Drexler being German dictator and mass murderer is almost as crazy as this artist Hitler being German dictator and mass murderer. His German Workers' Party, at their most powerful, gained only half a dozen Reichstag representatives, under Germany's very liberal laws for election, which are ridiculously easy for minor parties to gain seats. They weren't even the biggest nationalist party then.

So Drexler inviting some random artist into his party isn't going to suddenly make the German Workers' Party become massively successful, let alone mean Drexler will yield his leadership to this guy.

Yeah, that seems more than a little unlikely. Why would Drexler allow his leadership fall into another's hands?
 
How exactly would a failed art student kill millions of Jews or even a hundred? If he would have went around committing mass murder he would have wound up on the gallows or however they executed murderers in Austria or Germany in the 1920's.
Well, he would probably experiment with other things first. If all else failed, he would become a dictator.
 
Well, he would probably experiment with other things first. If all else failed, he would become a dictator.

That is probably everyone's back up plan.

Week 1: "If I can't get that job as the head of urban planning, I'll think of something with less responsibilities."

Week 5: "Oh well, I'll apply for this job instead. I guess being hired as a supervisor in the maintenance department wouldn't be so bad in this economy..."

Week 17: "If they won't take me on as a janitor, I think there are no good choices left."

Week 45: "All right officer, I learned my lesson: no more selling illegal booze in the alley."

Week 68: "So panhandling didn't work out for me, and someone stole my shoes."

Week 87: "Man, I thought I could sell my organs for a bit of cash, but appears I ruined them in my panhandling days."

Week 109: "And now they needed to amputate my left leg as well. That's it! Can't help it, becoming a dictator is the only way to go."
 
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