DBWI: What if Hitler was never accepted into art school?

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Doesn't change the fact that it was clearly a blantant ASB German-wank. Well, up to the "Winter of 1941" part. It was hinted that the "German Reich" had just bitten off more than it can chew and was beginning to experience overstretch - with the implication that it would be the beginning of their downfall. Still an entertaining read though - thanks for the name by the way, gonna reading that wonderful implausible butterflyfest again.
The choice of main character was implausible, I'll give you that. But Germany had about the same population as Japan at the time, and similar, perhaps greater industrial capacity. Germany conquering much of Europe, even Russia, is no more implausible than real-life events like Japan conquering China and the Pacific and forming an oppressive empire that lasts to this day.

In any case, like Man in the High Castle--that book about an alternate history Soviet conquest of the world--the purpose of the story is more about the political allegory and criticism, and the characters, than the alternate history aspects.
 
I think the guy missed his calling as an art critic actually. From what I heard he was good with words and could hold a mean grudge bordering on the obsessive. Artists of Mitteleuropa really dodged a bullet.
 
Ok once again this board has fallen into euro centrict lense once agian.

Adolf Hitler wasn't ever big, or influntial in europe but the man is known for a reason, he was enormously influential in south america, and is considered the father of Paraguays, Brazil, and Argentina's impressionist movement. His work 'eye's with out a face' is still credited as being one of the most influential peices of art world wide.

Yes he's not particularly well known but Geist, Goosemon, Veder, and Orlando some of the greatist artists of the south american impressionist sceen all refered to him as an inspiration.
 
Oh, so someone has even written a timeline about this guy making it big and conquering Europe, then? All right, then I understand why the OP started this thread. Nothing like one or two semi-successful timelines on this forum casting an obscure guy in a major role and suddenly everyone thinks it would be plausible to have him make it big somehow.

That manipulated photo of a huge political rally of some kind is very good, though. I wonder what whoever made it used as a template. Some Spanish Falangist event? Anyhow, why would a German nationalist/far right party use the Finnish Air Force's logo of all things as its symbol? Are they somehow influenced by Finland or, I don't know, obsessed with air power (like the Italian Futurists)?


Ok once again this board has fallen into euro centrict lense once agian.

Adolf Hitler wasn't ever big, or influntial in europe but the man is known for a reason, he was enormously influential in south america, and is considered the father of Paraguays, Brazil, and Argentina's impressionist movement. His work 'eye's with out a face' is still credited as being one of the most influential peices of art world wide.

Yes he's not particularly well known but Geist, Goosemon, Veder, and Orlando some of the greatist artists of the south american impressionist sceen all refered to him as an inspiration.

OOC: We have already established that TTL's Hitler was not really successful, apart from some of his paintings being used in cheap postcards. He died quite young and had a very short career as an artist. Hitler's art having some more success in South America than Europe, in a way that is not really known in Europe or elsewhere around the world can be a thing, sure, but him having produced "one of the most influential pieces of art world wide" is not plausible at all in the light of what has been argued before.
 
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That manipulated photo of a huge political rally of some kind is very good, though. I wonder what whoever made it used as a template. Some Spanish Falangist event? Anyhow, why would a German nationalist/far right party use the Finnish Air Force's logo of all things as its symbol? Are they somehow influenced with Finland or, I don't know, obsessed with air power (like the Italian Futurists)?

After re-reading the TL, apparently the swastika (or harkenkreuz) on the flag was meant to represent "the German people and their unconquerable eternal nature" and some bullcrap on harkening back to the days of some Ancient Germanic Civilisation (known as the "Aryan" people, no relation to Persia whatsoever). Also, the base was taken from multiple rallies of different political groups. And whoever was in charge of photoshopping did a fantastic job. Here's a few more from the TL:

Ovation for Hitler in the Reichstag after announcing the successful Anschluss, March 1938 2.jpg


Hitler proclaims himself Führer - Supreme Leader - of the Greater German Reich

Hitler's triumphant tour of Paris, 1940 (2).jpg


Hitler tours the conquered city of Paris.

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London, being bombed by German Warplanes
 
Oh, so someone has even written a timeline about this guy making it big and conquering Europe, then? All right, then I understand why the OP started this thread. Nothing like one or two semi-successful timelines on this forum casting an obscure guy in a major role and suddenly everyone thinks it would be plausible to have him make it big somehow.

That manipulated photo of a huge political rally of some kind is very good, though. I wonder what whoever made it used as a template. Some Spanish Falangist event? Anyhow, why would a German nationalist/far right party use the Finnish Air Force's logo of all things as its symbol? Are they somehow influenced by Finland or, I don't know, obsessed with air power (like the Italian Futurists)?




OOC: We have already established that TTL's Hitler was not really successful, apart from some of his paintings being used in cheap postcards. He died quite young and had a very short career as an artist. Hitler's art having some more success in South America than Europe, in a way that is not really known in Europe or elsewhere around the world can be a thing, sure, but him having produced "one of the most influential pieces of art world wide" is not plausible at all in the light of what has been argued before.

OCC Im role playing a fan of an obscure art sceen popular for a decade in south america and completely uknown outside of those circiles. OCC
 
After re-reading the TL, apparently the swastika (or harkenkreuz) on the flag was meant to represent "the German people and their unconquerable eternal nature" and some bullcrap on harkening back to the days of some Ancient Germanic Civilisation (known as the "Aryan" people, no relation to Persia whatsoever). Also, the base was taken from multiple rallies of different political groups. And whoever was in charge of photoshopping did a fantastic job. Here's a few more from the TL:

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Hitler proclaims himself Führer - Supreme Leader - of the Greater German Reich

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Hitler tours the conquered city of Paris.

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London, being bombed by German Warplanes

Those are very, very good. It appears a professional graphics artist or somesuch made those.

They are also pretty damn over the top, the big colour photo especially with its massive "shining" eagle and the black-uniformed officers doing the "Roman salute" in unison. I mean it is obvious, grandiose evil with that fictional party, isn't it? Let me guess - they even had military units using a human skull as their symbol?;)
 
Let me guess - they even had military units using a human skull as their symbol?;)

Actually, yes...

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Apparently they are called the "Schutzstaffel" (Protection Force) or SS for short. TLDR: They are composed of (the most fanatical of) National Socialist party members. Initially they served as bodyguards of Hitler and other high-ranking government officials. Over time they became a paramilitary unit in their own right and a secret police force. And when the war began, they were essentially German Special Forces, as well as a brutally effective anti-partisan unit.

The Skull or "Totenkopf" symbolizes duty and loyalty (Duty unto Death/Loyal to the Bitter End you get the picture) to "Volk, Reich und Führer". And their uniform was designed by Hugo Boss (yeah, truly an ASB TL)
 
Actually, yes...

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Apparently they are called the "Schutzstaffel" (Protection Force) or SS for short. TLDR: They are composed of (the mkst fanatical) of National Socialist partt members. Initially they served as bodyguards of Hitler and other high-ranking National Socialist officials. Over time they became a paramilitary unit in their own right and a secret police force. And when the war began, they were essentially German Special Forces, and a brutally effective anti-partisan unit.

The Skull or "Totenkopf" symbolizes duty and loyalty (Duty unto Death/Loyal to the Bitter End you get the picture) to "Volk, Reich und Führer"

OK. Like I said, blatant evil. IOTL, I can't really remember any nation ever going quite that far in branding its own troops as the bad guys in any conflict. Just another reason, I guess, why people consider that TL so implausible.

(The uniform looks stylish, though, sans the skulls and swastikas, etc. Do you know if it is based on any particular OTL uniform?)

Anyway, you know this TL so well I am starting to suspect you wrote it yourself...:p
 
Doesn't change the fact that it was clearly a blantant ASB German-wank. Well, up to the "Winter of 1941" part. It was hinted that the "German Reich" had just bitten off more than it can chew and was beginning to experience overstretch - with the implication that it would be the beginning of their downfall. Still an entertaining read though - thanks for the name by the way, gonna reading that wonderful implausible butterflyfest again.

To be fair, the writer nerfed the "German Reich" in their Russia campaign because everyone was screaming ASB after the France part. I have no doubt if the author continued the Germans would've had a temporary setback before finally defeating the Russians in 1942.
 
Anyway, you know this TL so well I am starting to suspect you wrote it yourself...:p

Was one of the first TLs I read upon discovering the site, and it was how I became interested in AH in the first place. I freakin loved it, and I searched for it for 3 years till Achaemenid Rome (as above) gave me the name. Sure, it may be overloaded ASB, but it would always hold a special place with me.
 
Like I said, blatant evil.

Oh you haven't seen the worst. Apparently the Nazis were not (somehow) evil enough. So the Author decided to take it up a notch. Remember that I mentioned that ATL Hitler was an anti-semite? Long story short, when German troops entered Russia, Hitler organized the SS into "Einsatzgruppen" (special task forces) and ordered them to round up any and all Jews residing within occupied territory. This is when the photoshops start getting dark...

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Yes, full on Genocide
 
What I liked about the writer of that piece was that he took existing trends of the time and allowed Hitler to take advantage of those trends. The British/French fuck up in China proved the authors points quite well while Germany was experimenting with mechanized divisions. Really the only unrealistic thing was the 80cm guns and the number of dodged bullets (The French get the plans and still screw up bombing a bridge crossing?)

As to the genocide thing, that was probably based on several germanic activitis when that paramilitary group entered Danzig and went through the inhabitants. The Tectonic sons had a lot of support for a few years after that despite the Polish army crushing them
 
Yes, full on Genocide

And not your average "round em up and shoot them". Shortly before the TL got abruptly cancelled, Hitler had devised a "Final Solution" to the "Jewish Problem".

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Build huge prison camps, send all Jews there, crowd them into big "shower rooms"... and gas them. Worse, there were plans to do the same to Slavs in occupied countries. "Generalplan Ost" as it's called. In order to clear some space for German colonists east, the Slavs had to be sent to the camps... an estimated 200 million "undesirable" "untermensch" to be exterminated.

Not even Imperial Japan reached that low.
 
We all know who Adolf Hitler is, right? Well, if you don't know, he was a small time artist who entered the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts in 1907 and barely graduated a few years later. His art has widely been panned throughout the world for being 'simplistic' and 'barren of any creative talent'.

No one bought his paintings and he soon fell into deep poverty. In 1920, he shot himself in the head in his Vienna apartment.

So we can all agree that we hate this moron's work, right? So let me pose a question. What if Hitler was never accepted into art school?
It seems a bit unfair that he became the poster-boy of mediocrity as far as artists go. Sure some of his works don't compare to people like Edvard Munch or Picasso, but he clearly knew far more about painting than the average man. My guess is that had he not killed himself he probably would have taught painting at a private school, maybe even return to his Alma Mater VAFA. I don't mean to be a hipster but I've always been a fan of his painting 'Mein Kampf.'
 
Yeah, the victory over France was ridiculous, but the genocide things got pretty ridiculous. We're imagining a random artist committing mass murder on an industrial scale? But I did kinda think it was a commentary about humanity, how anyone (even me and you), have the potential to become evil do horrible things. Which I guess almost excuses the portrayal of France and Poland, since it wasn't a simple history TL to begin with.

It seems a bit unfair that he became the poster-boy of mediocrity as far as artists go. Sure some of his works don't compare to people like Edvard Munch or Picasso, but he clearly knew far more about painting than the average man. My guess is that had he not killed himself he probably would have taught painting at a private school, maybe even return to his Alma Mater VAFA. I don't mean to be a hipster but I've always been a fan of his painting 'Mein Kampf.'

Oh, Mein Kampf. It seems to be the most reprinted Hitler painting (way more than anything else he ever did), even if few people know of its name or the artist. It's a fine painting of the main building of the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts.

I could imagine Mein Kampf reaching a status like some of Munch's or Picasso's works in some other timeline. I mean, it's about Hitler's struggle against the establishment at the VAFA. They didn't like him. The stormy tones in the painting seem to reflect this. Hitler loved painting buildings, so it's obvious he would turn to painting the place that caused him so much misery.
 
The guy even made a photoshopped picture of Hitler (who ITTL is officially the "Führer" - German for [absolute] Leader - of the "Greater German Reich").Found a copy once while floating about deviantart. Someone else was using it for his sci-fi story.

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It admittedly looks cool despite the utterly retarded context.

Tha man know how to do Photoshop . Do you have found more of it ?
 
Tha man know how to do Photoshop . Do you have found more of it ?

See previous posts, be warned though, some of it may be disturbing. (Also the actual TL name has already been given above. It's "It could never happen here")
 
See previous posts, be warned though, some of it may be disturbing. (Also the actual TL name has already been given above. It's "It could never happen here")

Still, here's one for you:

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Hitler with his ally - Benito Mussolini, Prime Minister and Il Duce ("the [Supreme] Leader") of the Kingdom of Italy (yes, he is that Anarcho-Socialist Author otl). ITTL, Mussolini like Hitler is also a far-right totalitarian and wishes to restore the Roman Empire. And King Victor Emmanuel is his puppet.
 
Still, here's one for you:

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Hitler with his ally - Benito Mussolini, Prime Minister and Il Duce ("the [Supreme] Leader") of the Kingdom of Italy (yes, he is that Anarcho-Socialist Author otl). ITTL, Mussolini like Hitler is also a far-right totalitarian and wishes to restore the Roman Empire. And King Victor Emmanuel is his puppet.

Is this version of Mussolini also as massively successful a totalitarian as this Hitler is and manages to conquer most of the Mediterranian area with his New Roman Army?
 
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