DBWI: What if Hitler was never accepted into art school?

He should have gone into writing if the art stuff wasn't going his way. I heard that he had bits of manuscript that he wanted to title "German Ascension." It's actually a decent read.

Also; his anti semantic rants that art critics snub him over is probably because the art college he attended was run by a Jew who hated both him and his father.
 
He should have gone into writing if the art stuff wasn't going his way. I heard that he had bits of manuscript that he wanted to title "German Ascension." It's actually a decent read.

Also; his anti semantic rants that art critics snub him over is probably because the art college he attended was run by a Jew who hated both him and his father.

How weren't things going for him in the arts, as I said earlier that we heard of him at all a century later makes him better known than 99.99%+ of the artists out there. Most "artists" have sold their works only to relatives and neighbors with their works gathering dust in the attic.

I looked at it after you mentioned it. He sounded completely insane. As it was uncompleted maybe that was what he was going for, a completely insane narrator. MODERN art critics hold his anti-sematic rants against him, most back then didn't. Those rants were just part of the times.
 
The fact that you know of them AT ALL a century later puts them in the top tier. Let's be honest here 99.99%+ of all artists are an Alice Wilmington of Baton Rouge , LA who nobody outside her family knows of , if that. For every artist , off any caliber, you heard of there are 10,000 or more that you haven't. If he were a truly bottom tier artist nobody at all would have heard of him, even in the Hitler family almost a full century later. Was he Rembrandt or Van Gogh? No , but he wasn't a complete nobody which 99.99%+ of all artists end up as.

OK, so I'd go from not knowing Hitler (prior to this thread) to knowing him because I happened to read about him in passing in an academic volume on Austrian painting after the Great War (this being a comparison to how I know Goebbels). Like I said, Hitler becoming somewhat more well known than IOTL would create butterflies, but it most likely would not make for major changes in the timeline. If Goebbels died in the early 20s instead having his OTL career, I could only see minor differences in Germany and the world due to that. There might be unforeseen ones, of course, but limited in scope. Nothing that would have caused, say, the USSR collapse before it did in our world, or change the fall of the European empires and decolonization after the Great Depression and the Pacific Wars, etc, etc.


He should have gone into writing if the art stuff wasn't going his way. I heard that he had bits of manuscript that he wanted to title "German Ascension." It's actually a decent read.

Also; his anti semantic rants that art critics snub him over is probably because the art college he attended was run by a Jew who hated both him and his father.

Geez, now everyone here is an expert on obscure Austrian artists and their even more obscure manuscripts. I am starting to think that it was Hitler's suicide that actually made him more famous and notorious than if he really survived and led a peaceful life of semi-recognized artistry in Vienna.
 
OK, so I'd go from not knowing Hitler (prior to this thread) to knowing him because I happened to read about him in passing in an academic volume on Austrian painting after the Great War (this being a comparison to how I know Goebbels). Like I said, Hitler becoming somewhat more well known than IOTL would create butterflies, but it most likely would not make for major changes in the timeline. If Goebbels instead died in the early 20s instead having his OTL career, I could only see minor differences in Germany and the world due to that. There might be unforeseen ones, of course, but limited in scope. Nothing that would have caused, say, the USSR collapse before it did in our world, or change the fall of the European empires and decolonization after the Great Depression and the Pacific Wars, etc, etc.

Even reading about him in passing makes him better known than 99.99%+ of the artists out there. It isn't like he was someone's Aunt Maude who sold her painting to a nephew who felt sorry for her. She wasn't mentioned in a book in passing of any sort. Her work is gathering dust somewhere if not thrown out long ago.
 
I'm not saying he didn't have artistic skills. I am nearly saying that if he (Hitler) thought that making art wasn't working; he had other options. Writing was one of them.
Reportedly he could move a crowd with his speeches as well. I remember reading about him calming down a radical far right group that were protesting in Munich. Nazis I think they were called.
 
Who cares if he was an anti-semite, a lot of people back then were, and Hitler's job was to paint. People would've rejected him if he wasn't an anti-semite, since his style wasn't very fashionable at the time.
 
Even reading about him in passing makes him better known than 99.99%+ of the artists out there. It isn't like he was someone's Aunt Maude who sold her painting to a nephew who felt sorry for her. She wasn't mentioned in a book in passing of any sort. Her work is gathering dust somewhere if not thrown out long ago.

You are setting the bar pretty low to make a point, methinks. So what if he would have become better known than the great majority of even less than mediocre artists? Do you know of any semi-known, mediocre Austrian, or, say, Hungarian or Czechoslovak painters who had a major impact on European or world history in that same time period, just by dint of being semi-known painters of mediocre skill?

(And please don't say "Janos Kmetty". We all know he isn't known for his art, but due to his part in the Communist plot to assassinate Horthy.)
 
You are setting the bar pretty low to make a point, methinks. So what if he would have become better known than the great majority of even less than mediocre artists? Do you know of any semi-known, mediocre Austrian, or, say, Hungarian or Czechoslovak painters who had a major impact on European or world history in that same time period, just by dint of being semi-known painters of mediocre skill?

(And please don't say "Janos Kmetty". We all know he isn't known for his art, but due to his part in the Communist plot to assassinate Horthy.)

Well, I doubt he would have made much of an impact either. People rarely do. My guess is if he didn't make it into the art school he would have wound up as a factory worker in Munich or a car salesman in Stuttgart or something.
 
Instead of the 2nd tier,somewhat contreversial, artist art snobs like to bring up when trying to make a point, he woul probably end up a dead rentboy whose body is recovered in a Birmingham back alley.

Was it a drug overdose or suicide, no one would have really cared.
 
Instead of the 2nd tier,somewhat contreversial, artist art snobs like to bring up when trying to make a point, he woul probably end up a dead rentboy whose body is recovered in a Birmingham back alley.

Was it a drug overdose or suicide, no one would have really cared.

Exactly, he was a second tier artist that was somewhat known neither Aunt Maude nor Rembrandt and if he didn't make even second tier he would have wound as just another complete nobody.
 
Hitler would probably throw a temper tantrum over not going into art school, and decide to kill Millions of Jews. I'm not sure if I would exist.
 
Hitler would probably throw a temper tantrum over not going into art school, and decide to kill Millions of Jews. I'm not sure if I would exist.

How exactly would a failed art student kill millions of Jews or even a hundred? If he would have went around committing mass murder he would have wound up on the gallows or however they executed murderers in Austria or Germany in the 1920's.
 
Might have been a good thing. That combination of neo-Biedermeier mit Schlag and his odd fixations on Mayor Lueger's nonsense gave him less obscurity than he deserved. He'd surely have done less damage (not least aesthetic) - and for very little time, as down-and-outs at least die off quickly - in any other line of work. (Rentboy again, perhaps, until he dies drunk in a doorway.) Vulgar little bugger.

Disaffected towards everything k.u.k., too. It's as well Colonels Redl and Ronge and their successors kept an eye on him alongside the Kripo. [/IC]
 
We all know who Adolf Hitler is, right? Well, if you don't know, he was a small time artist who entered the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts in 1907 and barely graduated a few years later. His art has widely been panned throughout the world for being 'simplistic' and 'barren of any creative talent'.

No one bought his paintings and he soon fell into deep poverty. In 1920, he shot himself in the head in his Vienna apartment.

So we can all agree that we hate this moron's work, right? So let me pose a question. What if Hitler was never accepted into art school?

Wasn't there a TL with this premise on this site a few years back? If I recall it went something along the lines of:

So Hitler got rejected from art school and he got so angry he blamed jews for it. Come the Great War and Adolf enlists in the Army and becomes a war hero. Germany loses and after a very unfair peace treaty which cripples his country, an angry patriotic Hitler decides to enter politics and establishes a "National Socialist German Workers Party" ... which is far-right ultra-nationalistic fascist (yeah, I know some "socialist party" there). Hitler is so charming that the National Socialists [or "Nazis" for short] become the biggest party in the Reichstag and Hitler is made Chancellor of the German Republic. He then proceeds to turn Germany into a Racist Xenophobic Totalitarian Military Dictatorship and begins to make preparations for a Second Great War (something about avenging the great war, foiling some jewish conspiracy and creating a reich that would last a thousand years). And I kid you not - He turns Germany into an unstopabble war machine and by 1941 conquers Poland and France (the former in a month and he took Paris in just 4 weeks... 4 FREAKING WEEKS) thanks to his tactical and strategic brilliance and initiates an invasion of Russia. It goes perfectly well... and then the winter of 1941 arrives.

Well, that's all I can recall...and then it's got discontinued, apparently the author realized that it was already running on too much handwavium. Still it was a somewhat entertaining read (despite the massive dollops of ASB sauce). Anyone remember the name? Wanna read it again. It was just so bad that it was good.
 

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Wasn't there a TL with this premise on this site a few years back? If I recall it went something along the lines of:

So Hitler got rejected from art school and he got so angry he blamed jews for it. Come the Great War and Adolf enlists in the Army and becomes a war hero. Germany loses and after a very unfair peace treaty which cripples his country, an angry patriotic Hitler decides to enter politics and establishes a "National Socialist German Workers Party" ... which is far-right ultra-nationalistic fascist (yeah, I know some "socialist party" there). Hitler is so charming that the National Socialists [or "Nazis" for short] become the biggest party in the Reichstag and Hitler is made Chancellor of the German Republic. He then proceeds to turn Germany into a Racist Xenophobic Totalitarian Military Dictatorship and begins to make preparations for a Second Great War (something about avenging the great war, foiling some jewish conspiracy and creating a reich that would last a thousand years). And I kid you not - He turns Germany into an unstopabble war machine and by 1941 conquers Poland and France (the former in a month and he took Paris in just 4 weeks... 4 FREAKING WEEKS) thanks to his tactical and strategic brilliance and initiates an invasion of Russia. It goes perfectly well... and then the winter of 1941 arrives.

Well, that's all I can recall...and then it's got discontinued, apparently the author realized that it was already running on too much handwavium. Still it was a somewhat entertaining read (despite the massive dollops of ASB sauce). Anyone remember the name? Wanna read it again. It was just so bad that it was good.
Surely this was a work of satire right?
 
Given the anti-semitism he gave at the end of his life coupled with some good oratory skills noted by Austrian police he could've become a small time politician

Or a writer... Psychosis + antisemitism + oratory worked quite well for Lovecraft.

Wonder what books this Hitler would write. Probably something called "my eternal struggle" or so.
 
Surely this was a work of satire right?

I dunno, from the looks of it was meant to be serious. The Author argued that it was an exercise on the butterfly effect, you know "small change = big consequences". Still, turning a random painter into an anti-semetic far-right tyrant (and a Military and Political genius to boot) utterly destroyed any semblance of plausibility.
 
I dunno, from the looks of it was meant to be serious. The Author argued that it was an exercise on the butterfly effect, you know "small change = big consequences". Still, turning a random painter into an anti-semetic far-right tyrant (and a Military and Political genius to boot) utterly destroyed any semblance of plausibility.

The guy even made a photoshopped picture of Hitler (who ITTL is officially the "Führer" - German for [absolute] Leader - of the "Greater German Reich").Found a copy once while floating about deviantart. Someone else was using it for his sci-fi story.

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It admittedly looks cool despite the utterly retarded context.
 

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Wasn't there a TL with this premise on this site a few years back? If I recall it went something along the lines of:

So Hitler got rejected from art school and he got so angry he blamed jews for it. Come the Great War and Adolf enlists in the Army and becomes a war hero. Germany loses and after a very unfair peace treaty which cripples his country, an angry patriotic Hitler decides to enter politics and establishes a "National Socialist German Workers Party" ... which is far-right ultra-nationalistic fascist (yeah, I know some "socialist party" there). Hitler is so charming that the National Socialists [or "Nazis" for short] become the biggest party in the Reichstag and Hitler is made Chancellor of the German Republic. He then proceeds to turn Germany into a Racist Xenophobic Totalitarian Military Dictatorship and begins to make preparations for a Second Great War (something about avenging the great war, foiling some jewish conspiracy and creating a reich that would last a thousand years). And I kid you not - He turns Germany into an unstopabble war machine and by 1941 conquers Poland and France (the former in a month and he took Paris in just 4 weeks... 4 FREAKING WEEKS) thanks to his tactical and strategic brilliance and initiates an invasion of Russia. It goes perfectly well... and then the winter of 1941 arrives.

Well, that's all I can recall...and then it's got discontinued, apparently the author realized that it was already running on too much handwavium. Still it was a somewhat entertaining read (despite the massive dollops of ASB sauce). Anyone remember the name? Wanna read it again. It was just so bad that it was good.
Well, it's pretty obvious that the TL is an allegory for the current Japanese Empire and Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, just in a European context. The TL was called "It Could Never Happen Here".

Why do you think alternatehistory.com got banned in the Empire?
 
Well, it's pretty obvious that the TL is an allegory for the current Japanese Empire and Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, just in a European context. The TL was called "It Could Never Happen Here".

Doesn't change the fact that it was clearly a blantant ASB German-wank. Well, up to the "Winter of 1941" part. It was hinted that the "German Reich" had just bitten off more than it can chew and was beginning to experience overstretch - with the implication that it would be the beginning of their downfall. Still an entertaining read though - thanks for the name by the way, gonna reading that wonderful implausible butterflyfest again.
 
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