DBWI: What if Goring stuck to the original plan for the invasion of the Soviet Union?

As we all know, after Hitler died in July 1941 by a sudden heart attack Goring took over Nazi Germany.

This had huge a huge impact, the new Fuhrer was not a fan of Barbarossa and in November 1941, just months after the operation started, he signed with Stalin an improved repeat of the Brest Litovsk treaty, ending the invasion but gaining huge tracks of land and resources.

The consequences of this were huge, the fact that Germany managed to gain such a clear victory over the Soviets shocked the British morale, this only got worse with Goring declaring war on Japan after condemning the attacks at Pear Harbor and blaming Britain's belligerence on keeping Germany from being able to help the US at fighting Japan. All of this combined with Goring's efforts to clean Germany's image in the west made Churchill unable to convince the British to keep the war going and after being forced out of office Britain finally made peace with Germany in early 1942 in exchange of restoring France's autonomy.

In the Soviet Union such a crushing defeat heavily undermined the faith in the Communist Party, this prompted Stalin to initiate another great purge of the army, which was his undoing as the army was no longer willing to tolerate him and he was finally sacked and executed. These events ensured that the Soviet system would not last beyond the 50s, ending the communist state.

The rosy times soon ended for Germany however, since the Nazi economy was heavily dependant on war and looting after a few years of peace Germany fell into an economic crisis, controversial accusations that the Nazi early period of brutality was an universal effort rather than the sole blame of the purged SS arised and eventually the Nazi Party was forced out of power.

Yet as we know Germany was able to rise from the crisis as a solid democracy and clearly the war victories eventually paid off, indeed today Germany along with the US are the only world superpowers.

However, what if this didnt happened?

As we know this was a very controversial choice, the original plan for Barbarossa called for much greater territorial gains, gaining everything all the way up to the Urals and indeed the German Army was destroying the Red Army left and right, in fact the only reason Goring was able to extort Stalin into such an agreement was because of how bad the Soviets were doing against the Germans. There were very strong calls to halt the agreement and some sources go as far as to claim that a coup was about to happen, many saw in Goring a cowardly traitor to Hitler's legacy. Yet, the powerful fact that the war with Britain was ongoing as well as some generals being skeptical that this rate of victory would keep going all the way to the Urals allowed Goring to get his way.

But what if Goring succumbed to the pressure from the pro war faction and stuck to Hitler's original plans?

The Germans were pounding the Soviets really bad so, do you think Goring missed a great chance by settling for what he got? Could Germany had actually conquered everything all the way to the Urals? Or at least get greater gains than in OTL?

Would such gains be enough to prevent the crisis and perhaps boost Germany to the point that by now it would had surpassed the US as a superpower rather than the rivalry of today?

Was Goring's shot for a quick end to Barbarossa a logical choice? Or the act of a chickened out man that settled for way less than he could?

How would the current world look as a result?

I would like to hear your opinions on this.
 
Democracy, hah! The Germans still deny that the Shoah ever happened. And whenever the US raises a peep about it, they accused of being "corrupted by the Parasitic Jew".
 
Democracy, hah! The Germans still deny that the Shoah ever happened. And whenever the US raises a peep about it, they accused of being "corrupted by the Parasitic Jew".
Only because we vote now who becomes Führer, doesn't mean we are not dicks. :rolleyes:

To be honest most of us now that some terrible things happened in the East, but its to convenient to just ignore it. And hey, its not like the "Land of the Free" has not some dirty laundry in its closet itself. I guess the indian wars are not much part of the American school curriculum?

Thats the thing with building empires: Wo gehobelt wird, fallen Späne.
 
Only because we vote now who becomes Führer, doesn't mean we are not dicks. :rolleyes:

To be honest most of us now that some terrible things happened in the East, but its to convenient to just ignore it. And hey, its not like the "Land of the Free" has not some dirty laundry in its closet itself. I guess the indian wars are not much part of the American school curriculum?

Thats the thing with building empires: Wo gehobelt wird, fallen Späne.

Well, the Jews who were resettled in the Eastern satellite states before they began to really become independent was at least a couple hundred thousand less Jews then there should have been according to census data. Some estimates point as high as 2 million, though personally I think about 1 million is about right. It took till the 60s before the Eastern States like Ukraine under Bandera or Croatia got rid of the German imposed Jewish laws, while Mussolini immediatly repealed them, what, a week after Hitler died? The Italians and Slavic states took in alot of Jews, the Italians sending them to the colonies mostly, from Germany, and the Croatians sending them to former Serbian areas, I know we Ukrainian sent many to Crimea and the Donbass who were originally from Germany. Luckily the Germans never really started taking alot of Jews from the old Soviet Union, by the time Generalplan Ost, or whatever they replaced Ost with, started to go into effect their economy crashed. Slave labor isn't very useful when the average German can't find a job. It's lucky their economy collapsed otherwise they might have actually tried some of that crazy shit those early nazis and hitler planned to do, not to mention the slave labor.
 
Goering slammed the door in the face of a vengeful General Winter. His is the most well-deserved monument in Berlin, even given his post-war debauchery.

The winter of 1941-1942 was brutal. I haven't seen any expert disagree with the popular opinion that the Wehrmacht would have steamrolled into Moscow had they made the effort. But they would have died there, or they would have evaporated (maybe, given the cold, "sublimed" is more accurate) as did the Grand Armee over a century earlier. They could not have sustained a logistics train for a modern army over that distance in that weather, with rail gauge changes and with horses still doing much of the short-haul work. And they sure weren't living off the land. Even given official and unofficial local settlements with some of the western ethnic groups, there would have been more than enough guerrillas to disrupt the German rear areas. Not that the Red Army was capable of counterattacking, but all they needed to do was survive in their country better than could the Germans.
 
Maybe Stalin would had surrendered everything up to the Urals if the Wehrmach steamrolled Moscow.

If he was willing to do an improved version of Brest Litovsk just by being pushed around initially imagine what he would be willing to give up if pressed in such a way.
 
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