DBWI: What if Ed Koch had lost the 1980 NY Gubenatorial primary?

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I was very sad the other day to hear the news of the passing of former President Ed Koch. So many accomplishments--mayor of New York City, three terms as Governor of New York State, and becoming the first Jewish President and his two terms as President (1993-2001), with all he did in office.

But people often forget that he nearly lost the Democratic primary in his first campaign for Governor of New York to Mario Cuomo. Koch had made an inopportune remark about living in the suburbs that cost him votes, and he won a VERY close race in the primary. How different history might have been if he had lost that primary race...no Governorship, no Presidency...anyone have any ideas?
 

Japhy

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OOC: Koch wasn't going to win any votes Upstate thanks to all of his nice comments and you need to win at least some to win. Also how does he keep in the Closet when he's serving in Albany or running for President?
 
OOC: Koch wasn't going to win any votes Upstate thanks to all of his nice comments and you need to win at least some to win. Also how does he keep in the Closet when he's serving in Albany or running for President?
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He didn't need to keep in the closet, because he was not gay. He repeatedly said so - besides, he could have come out on his deathbed. No, lifelong bachelor status ≠ homosexuality.

Aside from that, if he avoids just one of his "nice comments" he could have a chance. Or even if he does, and bounces back in the right way.
 

Japhy

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He didn't need to keep in the closet, because he was not gay. He repeatedly said so - besides, he could have come out on his deathbed. No, lifelong bachelor status ≠ homosexuality.

The Gay lovers say otherwise. Also its not like he's the only man to have ever lied about it. Or in his generation to have not suddenly come out on his death bed.

Aside from that, if he avoids just one of his "nice comments" he could have a chance. Or even if he does, and bounces back in the right way.

The fact is though his comments showed a rather clear interest in a huge portion of his state. When you think that Westchester County is upstate it sort of sends a message.
 
The Gay lovers say otherwise. Also its not like he's the only man to have ever lied about it. Or in his generation to have not suddenly come out on his death bed.

The fact is though his comments showed a rather clear interest in a huge portion of his state. When you think that Westchester County is upstate it sort of sends a message.

I suppose you're right, on both counts. I'm not too knowleadgable on New York's political history anyway.
 

Japhy

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I suppose you're right, on both counts. I'm not too knowleadgable on New York's political history anyway.

New York City was really as far as he was ever going to get. There's a reason why having gotten the parties nomination Mario Cuomo was able to defeat him in a primary.

Also the election was in 1982.
 

Japhy

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Do none of you know what a DBWI is, or are you just being jerks?

Are you aware of what OOC means?

The concept was flawed sorry, hand waving the issues of getting Koch into the Governor's mansion, or for that matter the White House doesn't send them away.

DBWIs arn't excuses to throw basic plausibility out of the window.
 
Mondale would've picked somebody other than Mayor Carol Bellamy to be his running mate. Probably a man
 
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