DBWI:What if auto racing was not banned after the 1955 Le Mans Disaster?

France, Italy, West Germany, Spain, Portugal outright banning the sport with many others (Britain, US) introducing tough regulation that made it impossible to organize events.

[FONT=&quot]I read somewhere that the race organizers decision to stop the race caused the roads to be flooded with race fans which hampered the medical access to the injured and that some of the 110 that died could have been saved.

Now only a few places have motor races, Monaco Isle of Man, New Zealand and a few places in the US (Indianapolis, Daytona)
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Now only a few places have motor races, Monaco Isle of Man, New Zealand and a few places in the US (Indianapolis, Daytona)
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Well, it depends on how you define motor races. If you're talking about the big officially organized ones with corporate sponsors, than you're right.

Indianapolis, Daytona, Monaco, Nuerburg, and Man are pretty much just showcases for the big automobile manufacturers, oil companies and other companies to display their "engineering skill" and more importantly advertise their products. They're essentially almost scripted events, with cars required to stay in their lanes to avoid catastrophe, and more and more ending in very near ties.

New Zealand is probably the only place they still have anything similar to what it used to be, with national organizations and independent racing teams (as in, not specifically organized by large corporations, not that they don't have any corporate sponsorships).

But, unofficial stock car racing is alive and well throughout rural areas in the United States. Apart from the special case laws in Indiana, Florida, and Utah (Bonneville Speedway), it is still legal, with appropriate licensing, in Mississippi, Tennessee and Iowa. Although, it's often hard to find good racing teams willing to work in these "official" races, and you actually end up with a lot of what could be called amateurs. That's because the good racing teams try to avoid publicity that will get them in trouble.

You will find the real races elsewhere, on back roads and farms with acreage hidden from the authorities. You just have to know where to go. It's almost a sort of pageant, the cars are souped up and painted hot rod style, with all sorts of interesting modifications for speed and looks. The drivers and the crew all wear masks, to the point where many of them resemble Mexican wrestlers, and go by names like "Flash", "Awesome Don", "Catfish", "The Intimidator" and "Number Nine".

Heck, a lot of those races are actually condoned by local authorities, even while remaining illegal under state laws. They just sort of turn their eyes away and forget to report it to the state -- as long as everyone's being careful.

It's pretty much only when there's a major accident do the state police and the media get involved, which is why racing in the U.S. continues to be considered unsafe to this day.

Mind you, these races are nowhere near the budget they used to have in the fifties. Attendance is pretty much limited to locals, there's no real national fanbase to be had. Not to mention, the various mafias are very possibly deeply involved in it, but they actually do a pretty good job of keeping it safe, as if they don't they tend to get a lot of unwanted attention.
 
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The racing ban is the biggest load of crap ever! On any given night thousands of people gather in industrial estates or other quiet roads to watch the local rev-heads battle it out on the streets. All the 'ban' did was make illegal street racing a mainstream activity and specator sport which the cops are powerless to combat. Personally I like it, my car gets supported by several local businesses now that I've won a few races, and the chicks dig it!
 
The ban has also severely limited the pace of development in automotive technology. The old Formula 1 Series was used by the big factory teams to test out new technologies, most notoriously the Mercedes and Auto Union teams in the 1930's that were backed by Nazi Germany. I've read that some industry executives and engineers believe that things like ABS and traction control would have been available 10-15 years earlier if there had been F1 or a World Rally Championship to drive the pace of progress.
 
The ban has also severely limited the pace of development in automotive technology. The old Formula 1 Series was used by the big factory teams to test out new technologies, most notoriously the Mercedes and Auto Union teams in the 1930's that were backed by Nazi Germany. I've read that some industry executives and engineers believe that things like ABS and traction control would have been available 10-15 years earlier if there had been F1 or a World Rally Championship to drive the pace of progress.
Maybe we would have turbo cars or all wheel drive on some things other than big fat ass trucks. Maybe Porsche's own car company after auto union and others job before the war would still be there ...
 
Well, I just got back from the Cannonball Run road race, so I would say that the authorities might have to consider legal racing one day. There was a hundred and twenty cars in the race, everything from an 18-wheeler with a tugboat engine and a Chrysler van with two engines up to a tuned truck painted and dressed up like an ambulance and a sedan painted up like a police car.

And that's just the stuff that runs on public roads. Was anybody else at the Motorstorm events in Utah last year? Holy crap what mayhem that was!
 
Certainly more non participants have died in racing crashes on public roads since the 1955 ban than would have if racing had stayed legal. But now it's a sacred cow, no pollie will touch it without hysterical bleeding hearts shrieking like banshees.
 
Certainly more non participants have died in racing crashes on public roads since the 1955 ban than would have if racing had stayed legal. But now it's a sacred cow, no pollie will touch it without hysterical bleeding hearts shrieking like banshees.

Yeah, but I suppose that's just fine for you and me, isn't it? I'm working on my truck for the Motorstorm in Utah next year, they are turning a huge portion of the southern desert into a whole bunch of courses for the purpose next year. Ill have my new race truck ready by then, too. You going, Riain?
 
say, how many of you so-called "motorsports" practitioners use your hot-rods to take your "contenders" to illegal cockfights? just wondering.

you are disgusting. you think being a "good old boy, never meaning no harm" exempts you from being responsible for the fatalities and crippling injuries.

and if you think equipping your hot-rod with an after-market "seat-belt" will keep you from losing your neck, well, Denial is more than just a river in Egypt!








ooc: haw haw haw. after playing a Good Guy in the holocaust denial thread, I can don a black hat in this one...
 
Modelcitizen, as your moniker suggests you live to follow government dictates, I wouldn't try to explain motorsport to you because you wouldn't understand. However properly regulated off street motorsport with a gamut of safety measures could have been a different reaction to the '55 crash, creating the best of both worlds.

TheMann, no I'm staying home and am going to drive the Victorian Great Alpine Road 'event' as soon as the snow clears.
 
France, Italy, West Germany, Spain, Portugal outright banning the sport with many others (Britain, US) introducing tough regulation that made it impossible to organize events.

[FONT=&quot]I read somewhere that the race organizers decision to stop the race caused the roads to be flooded with race fans which hampered the medical access to the injured and that some of the 110 that died could have been saved.

Now only a few places have motor races, Monaco Isle of Man, New Zealand and a few places in the US (Indianapolis, Daytona)
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OOC: I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but this premise sounds rather close to being in ASB territory..........Auto racing was just too widespread and popular in '55.
 
OOC: I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but this premise sounds rather close to being in ASB territory..........Auto racing was just too widespread and popular in '55.

OOC: Agreed. That's why my only thought was that it would still survive as a million dollar industry, just underground.
 
OOC: I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but this premise sounds rather close to being in ASB territory..........Auto racing was just too widespread and popular in '55.



ooc: alcohol never had a gory 83-fatality disaster such as this to its credit (at least not until it was prohibited thus leading to gang-violence with respectable body counts) and it was still prohibited in the United States.

if the right/wrong people had decided to seize on it as a major issue, a ban would not have been out of the question. auto racing back then was a regular abattoir(mis?), with many popular drivers "retiring" in a cloud of shrapnel and fire, etc.


As is, bans weren't too far from realistic,
"The death of the spectators was blamed on inadequate safety standards for track design, leading to a ban on motorsports in France, Spain, Switzerland, Germany, and other nations until the tracks could be brought to a higher safety standard. Switzerland's ban did not allow for the running of timed motorsports such as hillclimbs, a race which allowed two cars to compete alongside one another. This forced Swiss racing promoters to organize circuit events in foreign countries including France, Italy, and Germany. In 2003 the Swiss parliament started a lengthy discussion about whether this ban should be lifted. The discussion focused on traffic policy and environmental questions rather than on safety. On 10 June 2009, the Ständerat (one chamber of the parliament) was defeated for the second time and therefore definitively,[3] which meant that the ban would stay.[4]"
 
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