DBWI What do you guys think of Von Moltke government?

Gukpard

Gukpard

Von Moltke was the german Chancellor during most of the 19th century, literally dying on his desk in 1889. In one hand he made the idea of the Greater Germany possible, unifying the northern German confederation, Luxembourg, Austria, Tyrol, and putting a hohenzollern in power of Hungary while Russia took Galicia, but on the other hand he led the a period of german isolation after that huge "blob" was created after the austro Prussian war. What are your opinions of him?

OOC: This Germany does not hold alsace lorraine, but it holds Luxembourg, Austria, sud Tyrol and Bohemia.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

Well, without Germany's "splendid isolation", the Second French Empire would have probably not have lasted into the 20th century as many French leaders saw the German Empire as a potential threat.
 

HIM Dogson

Gukpard said:
Von Moltke was the german Chancellor during most of the 19th century, literally dying on his desk in 1889. In one hand he made the idea of the Greater Germany possible, unifying the northern German confederation, Luxembourg, Austria, Tyrol, and putting a hohenzollern in power of Hungary while Russia took Galicia, but on the other hand he led the a period of german isolation after that huge "blob" was created after the austro Prussian war. What are your opinions of him?

OOC: This Germany does not hold alsace lorraine, but it holds Luxembourg, Austria, sud Tyrol and Bohemia.
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I wouldn't say he led to a period of German isolation per se; Russia was friendly towards Germany(and still is) although Germany did pay dearly to secure the Tsar's continued support at the end of the Russo-Turkish War. It is true, though, that Germany didn't have many friends. Frankly, Moltke was lucky that Britain was still involved in the American Civil War or they likely would have intervened on Austria's behalf.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

HIM Dogson said:
Britain was still involved in the American Civil War
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All this ensured was that Britain earned the eternal emnity of the United States, which boiled over during the First Global War, where the Sino-German-American-Russian-Egyptian-Persian "Grand Alliance" defeated the Anglo-French-Japanese-Turkish-Confederate Entente. Unfortunately, the defeat of Britain led to some radical political beliefs arising from there.
 
ArchimedesCircle

ArchimedesCircle

Without Moltke dismantling the Habsburg empire, the Mediterranean would be completely different. No First Balkan War, no Ionian Crisis, no Third Venetian Republic (and no Republic of Italy either- can you imagine the state of the peninsula if it had been a monarchy?). The Adriatic wouldn't be an 'Italian Lake', and the 'Mediterranean Co-Prosperity Sphere' might not be a thing.
 

HIM Dogson

Whiteshore said:
So, why do you think did the Grand Alliance defeat the Entente in the First Global War?
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There really wasn't any question they were going to win. The First Global War was one of the most lopsided wars in history. The Entente had only one advantage, that being naval superiority, and they never capitalized on it because the Hochseeflotte and the USN used Fabian tactics at sea until every country but Britain was out of the war.

I guess it I were going to present one other reason, the Grand Alliance n Eurasia controlled one contiguous territory. Meanwhile, the Entente was scattered about; the only two countries that were close together were Britain and France. This let the Alliance defeat the members of the Entente one by one; first the Ottomans, then the Raj, then the Japanese, then the Confederates, then the French, and finally the British.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

HIM Dogson said:
There really wasn't any question they were going to win. The First Global War was one of the most lopsided wars in history. The Entente had only one advantage, that being naval superiority, and they never capitalized on it because the Hochseeflotte and the USN used Fabian tactics at sea until every country but Britain was out of the war.

I guess it I were going to present one other reason, the Grand Alliance n Eurasia controlled one contiguous territory. Meanwhile, the Entente was scattered about; the only two countries that were close together were Britain and France. This let the Alliance defeat the members of the Entente one by one; first the Ottomans, then the Raj, then the Japanese, then the Confederates, then the French, and finally the British.
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True, but what about why do you think did the British get so radical in their nationalist government?
 
InfernoMole

InfernoMole

Whiteshore said:
True, but what about why do you think did the British get so radical in their nationalist government?
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The autarky of Blair's government may have been... exceptional, to say the least, but one could say they were inspired by the similar populist governments in Hungary and Greece.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

InfernoMole said:
The autarky of Blair's government may have been... exceptional, to say the least, but one could say they were inspired by the similar populist governments in Hungary and Greece.
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Well, the less said about British colonial policies under Blair's government, the better.
 
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