DBWI: Was the German-Confederate War unavoidable?

Rocano

Banned
OOC: This is about a War where the CSA goes to War with the German Empire.

We all know in 1889 that the German sinking of the CS Passenger Ship the General Lee because the German Navy mistook it for a Confederate Navy Ship.

Now knowing that it resulted in German Victory and led to the Emancipation of the Slaves of 1891 after the War Ended and the cession of Biscayne Bay to the German Navy what could have happened?

From the Desk of Professor Arthur Beauregard, Louisiana State University
 
Of course the war was unavoidable. The CSA has been taunting Germany for years. Poking their noses where they shouldn't belong. They were even sending weapons to France and pirating German shipping for years!!!! Only the cautious generals and admirals in the German High Command prevented a war earlier on. Besides the CSA got their just desserts, I mean what would life be like if the Union won the Civil war. Better in my opinion.
 

Oweno

Banned
Of course the war was unavoidable. The CSA has been taunting Germany for years. Poking their noses where they shouldn't belong. They were even sending weapons to France and pirating German shipping for years!!!! Only the cautious generals and admirals in the German High Command prevented a war earlier on. Besides the CSA got their just desserts, I mean what would life be like if the Union won the Civil war. Better in my opinion.

I really must say that considering that the Germans should have stated a Formal War declaration instead of their Horrid attack on the General Lee.
 
Of course the war was unavoidable. The CSA has been taunting Germany for years. Poking their noses where they shouldn't belong. They were even sending weapons to France and pirating German shipping for years!!!! Only the cautious generals and admirals in the German High Command prevented a war earlier on. Besides the CSA got their just desserts, I mean what would life be like if the Union won the Civil war. Better in my opinion.

Sorry, but I disagree. It was Germany who wanted conflict, as Tirpitz made clear when he said that "Germany will have an island or two in the Caribbean, no matter what the CSA thinks about it".
 
I really must say that considering that the Germans should have stated a Formal War declaration instead of their Horrid attack on the General Lee.

The Germans thought that it was a warship. They sent several messages telling the General Lee that they were in German waters and requested that they withdraw from the zone that belonged to Germany. The Germans sent 25 MESSAGES to the General Lee. All were ignored, considering that the captain of the ship ignored all of the warnings, its perfectly understandable why the Germans attacked it.
 
The German-Confederate War of 1898's consequences, despite being a short and largely naval war, were far reaching no doubt about that. Confederate pains were huge: a German presence in the Caribbean, a loss of a navy, the loss of Cuba (alot of Southerner's had dibs on it long before the Spanish went belly-up a decade later) to the Germans, etc, etc. If anything it only drove the CSA into the Entente in which otherwise it would probably never have bothered. So when WW1 came round Germany not only had to contend with Britain, France and Russia: but also a Confederacy gobbling its Caribbean empire then providing the critical support in men and supplies to turn the tide on the Western Front. The introduction of the CSA to European politics had a far reaching impact.
Without this what would have been? A never-ending WW1? Probably a German victory and hegemony over Europe. German's premature gruff bullying tactics and arrogance brought its own downfall.
 
The German-Confederate War of 1898's consequences, despite being a short and largely naval war, were far reaching no doubt about that. Confederate pains were huge: a German presence in the Caribbean, a loss of a navy, the loss of Cuba (alot of Southerner's had dibs on it long before the Spanish went belly-up a decade later) to the Germans, etc, etc. If anything it only drove the CSA into the Entente in which otherwise it would probably never have bothered. So when WW1 came round Germany not only had to contend with Britain, France and Russia: but also a Confederacy gobbling its Caribbean empire then providing the critical support in men and supplies to turn the tide on the Western Front. The introduction of the CSA to European politics had a far reaching impact.
Without this what would have been? A never-ending WW1? Probably a German victory and hegemony over Europe. German's premature gruff bullying tactics and arrogance brought its own downfall.


After which the US strolled into the CSA and the CSA lost everything. With the heavy losses in Europe it could not hold the US off and the CSA was no more.
 
After which the US strolled into the CSA and the CSA lost everything. With the heavy losses in Europe it could not hold the US off and the CSA was no more.

That reminds me, wasn't it called the American Reconquista since the actions after the CSA and German war made it possible for the reunification of America.
 
After which the US strolled into the CSA and the CSA lost everything. With the heavy losses in Europe it could not hold the US off and the CSA was no more.

But you have to admit that was a dire mistake. The endless guerilla warfare in the post-CSA has often driven the US to the wall and back, I hear some Yankees have even been calling for an end to the occupation of the South, saying its all just over oil.

(OOC: ;):D not giving this one up without a fight. Dosen't anybody like the CSA anymore?)
 
But you have to admit that was a dire mistake. The endless guerilla warfare in the post-CSA has often driven the US to the wall and back, I hear some Yankees have even been calling for an end to the occupation of the South, saying its all just over oil.

(OOC: ;):D not giving this one up without a fight. Dosen't anybody like the CSA anymore?)

Well if you look at the recent studies. The number of suicide attacks and redneck skirmishes have dropped 160% from last year alone. If the trend continues we might have a totally passive south in a few years. Also the US already have enough oil from Alaska and the recently annexed Northern Mexico.
 

Rocano

Banned
As we see the pacification of the South we also see the rise of Anti-American Sentiment in our Economic Colonies of Central America. But please stay on Topic.
 
It was probably unavoidable, unless you have someone other than Tilden as US President, deftly antagonizing both CS President Longstreet and Chancellor Bismarck in hopes that Germany would attack and crush the CSA.

Now that was a well played hand on the part of the USA.
 

~The Doctor~

German's premature gruff bullying tactics and arrogance brought its own downfall.

Well, sure, the Germans lost the war, but they sure as hell didn't lose their Empire. The CSA gained the Carribean, only to have it taken away from them by the US, and then given their independence two decades later. In the Pacific, they lost New Guinea, and their Chinese claims to the Japanese, but they still retained their African colonies, not to mention maintaining their Empire-In-Europe. German Poland didn't unify with Russian Poland until 1946, and the Lithuanians are still screaming for Memel.

All things considered, the Kaiser came out of WWI pretty well.

OOC: It might be good to know what year we're supposed to be from. 2008?
 

Rocano

Banned
OOC: Ok so far it has been established that The Confederates lost a War to the Germans. Also yes you are from 2008
 
But you have to admit that was a dire mistake. The endless guerilla warfare in the post-CSA has often driven the US to the wall and back, I hear some Yankees have even been calling for an end to the occupation of the South, saying its all just over oil.

(OOC: ;):D not giving this one up without a fight. Dosen't anybody like the CSA anymore?)

It is greatly exagerated, with the large number of Blacks who hate the Confederacy as the emancipation of slaves in 1891 was in name only (OOC: Emancipation was unlikely to happen until 1900, at the earliest ,probably 1920) and merely turned them into serfs it has little trouble recruiting them. The only thing emancipation changed was that Southerners were unable to sell slaves seperately as they were bound to the land not the owner directly which made it difficult to break up Black families.
 
Last edited:
Top