DBWI: Wank the Mongols

I like how Crimea is just kind of sitting there, unconquered...for some, odd reason. Goryeo (South 'Korea'? Is North Korea the unlabeled one?) too. You conquered some of the world's most powerful states but those guys are somehow exceptions. XD
Well, Crimea does kind of dangle into the Black Sea weirdly, right.

Maybe the Mongols melt when they get near water.

(Mongol cannot into navy?)
 
Mongol Muscovy is almost unquestionably ASB, and so is a Mongol China, but what about Mongol Korea and Japan? Pastoral tendencies had made their bowmanship really incredible and for around the 1200s they had real potential. Not China-conquering potential of course, but some. Enough to snatch Korea from the Jin and launch some boats to invade Japan. After all, such explosions as the Arabs learned boatmanship very quickly. Save for a freak storm, which is highly unlikely, Japan should probably be able to be thoroughly Mongol-ized.
 
Save for a freak storm, which is highly unlikely, Japan should probably be able to be thoroughly Mongol-ized.

Some research tells me that a few typhoons happened in Japan at this time, but it's unlikely they'll intercept the Mongols as they invade.

But the Mongols won't Mongol-ify Japan. Most nomadic invaders (save the Perso-Europeans, but they were really ancient) were assimilated into the land around them. So the Mongols would probably Japan-ify rather than the other way around.

OOC: Perso-Europeans = Indo-Europeans.
 
Most nomadic invaders (save the Perso-Europeans, but they were really ancient) were assimilated into the land around them.
And don't forget the Arabs. But, as the old mantra goes, the Arabs are always the exception. ;)

(Though I will admit, they did adopt some Persian influences.)
 
I would like to complain about this time line. It is Complete Balderdash.
How could a small nomadic hearding group rise to rule their local council; Hah, let alone Provinces and Princes!
Balderdash and Tripe Sir, Care to argue? Then it will be Sabres Sira, Sabres; after mi Brandy, that is, what?
 
Yeah, I could believe this might be doable if you're, say, the Jurchens, and you have the wealth of northern China to fuel your expansion. That map is definitely nuts for what is basically a minor tribe some people here have never even heard of.
 
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Isn't that the most absurd thing you've ever seen?

It is.
I mean if we are supposed to assume that it has to do something with the Mongols ruling it.

The only excuse of this monstrosity to exist on the map (which comes to my mind) is the Song truly industrialized and truly militarized(and I mean truly militarized). Gun powder warfare revolutionized.
Actually the first gun-powder industrialized Empire on this Earth, originated in China, something like that, I mean.
And that resulted in something like that on the map.

But then the other thing I cant get is why so much of the great steppe territories is included in the Chinese Empire?
- Maybe the Song decided that it's better than building huge Great walls?
- May be the found the way how to truly vassalize steppe like the Qing did it and using them in their conquests like cannon meat? (And starting with passifying their own nomads they got so addicted to it that stopped somewhere in Rus? But why so far north?)
- May be the Song formed something like the Chinesse Cossacks?
- Or being the first real gun-powder Empire steppe is not a problem at all? At last.
 
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Alright, this is going to be borderline ASB, and essentially a China/Persia/Russia-screw, but I think I might have something that resembles such a world.

First, you're going to need to somehow unite the Mongols under one Great Khan. Maybe if that Temujin guy somehow beat Jamukha? He might've been less cautious than his counterpart.

Second, you'll need to have the Song offensives a generation prior fail miserably.

Third, you're going to need to have the Mongols go after the Western Xia before the Jin does and actually win, while at the same time having enough troops to go after Central Asia.

Fourth, you need to have an idiot become the general of the Jin army, complete with mass defections.

Fifth, you'll need to have the Xingsheng emperor assassinated right in the middle of the Mongol invasion, and for his successor to make peace.

Sixth, you'll need a genius to succeed whoever rules the Mongols, and have brilliant generals defect to them.

After that... Maybe if the Song burn all their fleets, and have their entire army commit suicide. Then the Mongols should have a chance.
 
You guys just reminded me again of that Mongol superwank TL where Temujin united his tribe and wreck havoc across Eurasia. He was so great many future conquerors wanted to recreate his stunt. That story is borderline ASB. :p

But then again, no empire last forever. I think at some point any sort of a Mongol Empire in this ATL will fragment into multiple entities.
 
You guys just reminded me again of that Mongol superwank TL where Temujin united his tribe and wreck havoc across Eurasia. He was so great many future conquerors wanted to recreate his stunt. That story is borderline ASB. :p

But then again, no empire last forever. I think at some point any sort of a Mongol Empire in this ATL will fragment into multiple entities.
I think that's where I got the map.

I read into that timeline a ways, too. They literally depicted Temujin as some kind of Mongol Alexander the Great. I do not think he was that good OTL.

So is that what we need here? Mongol Alexander and then everyone in his way to kind of roll over?
 
I read into that timeline a ways, too. They literally depicted Temujin as some kind of Mongol Alexander the Great. I do not think he was that good OTL.

They even had a Wars of the Diadochi thing!

But yes, another Alexander the Great is the only way this is possible. However, I think that's almost ludicrously ASB, as it took everything falling into place in the right way for him to make his empire. A more plausible scenario would be them following their Turkic brethren in moving somewhere and forming a local empire - though they would go very local in the process. In this scenario, you'd probably see then grouped with the Turkic migrations - hell, they may first go to Central Asia and get Turkified there before invading some country.
 
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