DBWI: United States Expansion

The United States of America is a crowded country today. We've all heard about overpopulation, etc... and yet if you look into areas like the Indian Confederation and southern Canada (north of the Ohio but south of the Great Lakes specifically), it's a different pattern of settlements- there are the great lakes cities, but beyond that... (especially in the Indian Confederation) And of course the northern regions of the Republique Louisiana and central Canada took much, much longer to have a decent population...

My proposed POD here is at the Treaty of Paris. What if the United States had managed to gain the Trans-Appalachian region we wanted? This massive region might mean that we might not get Florida transferred to us as well (returned to Spain?), but it's a price worth it, and we could get Florida later, possibly in the same we got the disputed region in northern New Connecticut. Our western border would be at the Mississippi River, rather than the mountains... Possibly, Napoleon could sell Louisiana to the United States- Louisiana's Pacific Coast claims could actually be enforced by us, and this possibly opens the door to gaining California or the rest of Canada...
 

Darkest

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Taking the Californias would be difficult. If early enough, it could work, but otherwise this extremely large USA would have to fight the British, Chinese, Japanese and Russians and the Amerindian Leagues at the same time to make gains. This could actually make an interesting ATL, with an expansionist USA being invaded by all of these powers for taking their thelassocracy away over the region.

Would there be a continent-wide insurrection of the Indian states once they are invaded?

This scenario has been postulated before, in different ways, but it can go in any direction. The creation of the nation-states of the USA is a fun, helter-skelter process.
 
Well don't forget that I'm postulating the purchase of Louisiana and that area in the early 1800s, when Indian nations still weren't really recognized (there was the British-protected Civilized Tribes of the modern Indian Confederation, but that wouldn't exist if the US got Trans-Appalachia). I forget when Louisiana was forced to recognize the Lakota and other major nations in their former northern-most territory as soverign (which touched off similar events in Mexico...), but that may not happen here.
 
So, would this United States not have a massive state in the heart of Africa today?:confused: Who do you suppose would have colonized the Congo Free State in such a world?
 
Wendell said:
So, would this United States not have a massive state in the heart of Africa today?:confused: Who do you suppose would have colonized the Congo Free State in such a world?
I don't know... hell, maybe we could break off the Austrian Netherlands (butterflies affecting the Congress of Vienna?) and give them the Congo :rolleyes:
 

Straha

Banned
Whit massife state? ye pure techt th' states ay liberty, jefferson an' katanga? it was only massife afair we gart congo territory intae states
 
Imajin, southern Holland as an independent state with a colony in central Africa? That's hysterical!:D

You should write fiction.:)
 
I live in the Spanish colony of California, but I immensly support King Juan Carlos and wouldn't want that "democracy" you Americans are always going on about.
 

Straha

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Laddie, spain is a parliementary constituional monarchy. its nae tay different frae th' united state's republican government.
 
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